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British Soldiers Offered 3-Day Weeks, Can Opt Out of Fighting Wars Entirely

Discussion in 'The Americas' started by Gessler, Feb 12, 2017.

  1. Gessler

    Gessler Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Take a pay cut to duck war: Soldiers are offered a three day week and a pay deal to dodge frontline fighting and make the Army more 'family friendly' (and even the SAS can sign up)
    • British troops offered chance to avoid front line and work three-day week
    • SAS troops and RAF pilots involved in Islamic State battle offered easier terms
    • MoD also reveal troops will be allowed 93 days unpaid leave per year
    • 'The MoD has got its priorities completely wrong' says defence expert
    British troops have been offered the chance to duck out of fighting on the front line and work a three-day week, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

    Thousands of soldiers, sailors and airmen have been told they can avoid battlefield action under an astonishing scheme the Ministry of Defence admitted last night is intended to make the Armed Forces 'more family friendly'.

    Even elite Special Air Service troops and RAF pilots currently involved in the campaign to defeat Islamic State will in future be entitled to opt out of going to war.

    Soldiers who choose to do so will lose out on tax-free bonuses of up to £50 per day on top of their regular wages – potentially saving the MoD millions.

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    Last night, defence experts warned that letting troops avoid going to war threatened to undermine the fundamental principles upon which Britain's Armed Forces have been built.

    Colonel Richard Kemp, who led British troops into war in Afghanistan, said: 'This is absolutely incredible. How can it do anything but undermine our national defence?

    'Our Armed Forces are already tiny yet we're going to give people exemptions from front line operations. The MoD has got its priorities completely wrong. We should be focusing on those troops who are fully committed to service, not those looking for a part-time job.'

    Details of the Flexible Duties Trial are contained in a high-level MoD document obtained by The Mail on Sunday. The dossier reveals that troops will be able to 'reduce their liability to deploy' to war zones for up to two years. It says: 'All types of flexible duty will be subject to a 24-month trial involving applicants in order to test the arrangements and the processes necessary to deliver them.

    'It is open to all personnel serving in the Army, RAF, Royal Navy and Royal Marine personnel. Service personnel will be allowed to reduce their liability to be deployed.'

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    Last night, the MoD said that troops who signed up to the deal could still be forced to fight in extreme circumstances. The bombshell document also reveals troops will be able to take up to 93 days unpaid leave over the course of a year – effectively allowing them to work just a three-day week and seek employment outside the military on their days off.

    It says: 'This results in an individual being able to work less than five days a week, although still liable for evening and weekend duties on paid days. 'This also limits an individual's liability to deploy, on the basis that a requirement to deploy would require full-time working.'

    No cap has been put on the numbers of Service personnel across the Armed Forces who can take up these options. Instead, senior officers may approve as many requests from troops for flexible duties as they wish, so long as their units retain 'operational effectiveness'.

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    Even Special Forces officers and commanders of key units across the British Army, Royal Navy and Royal Air Force could be granted approval to avoid war-zone service and adopt flexi-time working arrangements.

    Last night, the MoD insisted measures will be put in place to maintain the fighting capability of these key units. Suitable replacements for those seeking flexible duties would be found. Only then would the troops on the controversial scheme be moved to less important jobs, such the administration department of regimental headquarters.

    The trial has started at a time when Britain's Armed Forces are shrinking by the day, raising fears that operational effectiveness and readiness to deploy to war zones will be adversely affected. The regular Army is at its smallest size since the Napoleonic Wars – just 76,260 fully trained soldiers, according to official figures – while the Royal Navy does not have enough sailors to man its fleet, including its new £6.2 billion aircraft carriers. More people also left the Armed Forces last year than signed up to start military training.

    While the trial will save the MoD money in wages and bonuses to troops on the frontline, defence insiders insist it is intended to solve family issues such as troops spending too much time apart from their partners and children. Last night, one serving officer argued that such radical changes to the working practices of the Armed Forces were required to stem the tide of experienced and skilled personnel who are leaving the Services every year.

    He said: 'If this scheme works, it will be immeasurably beneficial to the Armed Forces. We're losing so many good people who would stay in if a bit of leeway and common sense :fie: was applied to their working arrangements. The tempo of operations and readiness targets are lower today than during the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    'So commanders can look ahead over the next 24 months and see who they really need to keep on the permanent staff and who can take a back seat for a while. If giving somebody a couple of years off operational commitments means they stay in the Armed Forces and are refreshed and fully charged again, that can only be good.

    'I just hope it is offered to the people who really need it most.'

    The plan has been signed off by Defence Secretary Michael Fallon and Chief of the General Staff, General Sir Nick Carter.

    They hope the trial will appeal to female personnel who consider military life with its rigid hours and lengthy overseas commitments to be entirely incompatible with raising a family. A Ministry of Defence spokesman said last night: 'This pilot is part of a modern offer to help Britain's world-class Armed Forces keep the broadest range of people and give them and their families the broadest service opportunities.'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4215714/Soldiers-offered-three-day-week-no-line-combat.html

    @BMD @Blue Marlin @Abingdonboy

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    UK's armed forces are being dismantled step by step. I wonder how their Navy will man their new carriers and submarines if scores of sailors merely decide to opt-out when going for, or in the middle of a deployment?

    Also included in the link are these other news:

    More than 30 troops across the Armed Forces are having medical treatment to change their gender The number of troops who have already completed transgender treatment – before or after joining up – has not been revealed.

    How the Royal Navy is all at sea over an appeal to ancient mariners to crew its new £6.2 billion aircraft carriers Normally, only sailors aged up to 59 are considered for duty. But a shortage of personnel has led naval chiefs to appeal to mariners aged 60 and above to apply for key posts.

    Nice! An oldage home on the seas! I hope they have onboard facilities ready to treat the delirious when old people suddenly go senile in the middle of working the gas turbines...
     
  2. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    They need Indian immigration for their military also.
     
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  3. arbit

    arbit 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    :lol:

    The MoD will collectively do to them what Nehru did to us in terms of our war fighting capability. :haha:
     
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  4. GSLV Mk III

    GSLV Mk III Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Now I know why they are looking for more automation aboard ships.
     
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  5. Vergennes

    Vergennes Strategist Staff Member MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    What did people exactly expect when they signed ?

    The British armed forces are facing severe personnels shortage because of the recent cuts by the Tory-Liberal govt + lack of attractivity and competitivity when recruiting new soldiers. With a very low unemployment rate,I am pretty sure people would prefer to work in an office and being well paid rather than being badly paid and being the victims of generalized witch-hunts against army personnels. @Blue Marlin @Abingdonboy

    The only positive thing is that the Gurka regiment is going to see its strenght increased.

    Sad to see what's being done to one of the best equipped armed forces in the world,respected,skilled with old traditions.
     
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  6. IndiranChandiran

    IndiranChandiran BANNED BANNED

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    ....and the sun gradually sets on the British Empire.
     
  7. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    They are losing interest in working with the US as their lieutenant. The Soviet threat is no more. It's better for Britian to work with France and Germany and chart an independent policy for Europe.
     
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  8. PARIKRAMA

    PARIKRAMA Angel or Devil? Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    May be we can make UK, a colony under Union of India.. give the UK say 3 states.. we have population and economy.. post BREXIT they need both..
    Instead of East India Company, may be just India Company should work..
     
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    IndiranChandiran BANNED BANNED

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    In the decades & centuries to follow, may the Brits be remembered for one thing & one thing alone - the final re unification of India as a homogenous political unit kindling in us the kind of nationalism & quest for great power status thus keeping our true"trust with destiny "in much the same way that Napoleon's war on the Germanic states re kindled German nationalism prompting moves for its unification - without the fallout that the German unification begat .
     
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  10. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Captain Technical Analyst

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    I can't believe what I've just read!

    If there is one way to decimate a military it is this......

    What is the point of having a military if this is what is done to it? What's the point in spending £40 billion a year on this nonsense? A part-time military that includes effing pilots and SF members? WHAT?

    Case closed IMHO, the UK's military potency is OVER, how can anyone take a military seriously under these conditions?

    And on top of that, the SOLDIERS can opt out of war? As @Vergennes said, isn't war/combat what they signed up for? They didnt' sign up to work for effing Pizza Hut!
     
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  11. Vidyanshu

    Vidyanshu Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Why to give them even 3 colonies, make them our complete colony.
     
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  12. venureddy

    venureddy Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    just shows the stupidity of policy makers in Britain. if the soldiers can opt out of their primary duty by taking a pay cut not even god can save that country.
     
  13. arbit

    arbit 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    How hard it can be to paint a signboard outside the Defence establishment. "Only those need apply who can fight for country and honour. Fulltime. Part timers need not apply"
    Apparently impossible.
     
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  14. Blackjay

    Blackjay Developers Guild Developers -IT and R&D

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    I have a simpler take....
    They don't need to fight for their survival anymore....
    All their recent activity is in other countries.....
    For a smallish population (and economy) like them their defence expenditure must look extravagant....
    They can't sustain a navy to dominate the rest of the world anymore.Present geopolitical scenario is very different from the time when they built these armed forces....
    Their are no more colonies to protect,no business interests which need projection of power....
    No competitors trying to wage war on them....

    They just lost the appetite to meddle in someone else's business, that's all.Better for their economy anyway....
     
  15. Vidyanshu

    Vidyanshu Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Let Mother Russia gain some economic health :devilwork::devilwork:

    By the time Russia recovers, Britain will have more Jehadis than volunteers for Military :****::****:
     
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