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British universities lose grip on world university rankings 'because they are forced to focus on div

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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...-lose-grip-on-world-university-rankings-beca/

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    The University of Oxford slipped to fifth, having ranked third last year CREDIT: ALAMY
    5 MAY 2016 • 12:19PM


    Britain's best universities are slipping down university rankingsbecause they are forced to focus on diversity and recruiting from disadvantaged backgrounds, experts say.

    Top universities, including Oxford and Cambridge, have been under huge political pressure to take on minority students after the Prime Minister, David Cameron, attacked them for racial bias and not working harder to broaden their student mix.

    Earlier this year Mr Cameron said universities would be forced to disclose the proportion of ethnic minority applicants that get places as he encouraged more transparency.

    It now seems that this pressure is leading universities to "take their eye off the ball" in terms of improving quality of research and teaching, in favour of implementing recruitment policies to appease political pressures.

    An annual ranking, published by the Times Higher Education (THE), showed Cambridge has fallen to fourth place, down from second last year while Oxford to fifth having been third in one of the most prestigious world university rankings.

    
The number of UK universities in the top 100 has also dropped from 12 to 10 this year with Bristol and Durham falling out of the list, the table showed.

    The table, which is based on the largest invitation-only survey of senior academics across the world, placed only three other UK universities in the top 30 (Imperial, UCL and LSE).

    The US dominated the rankings with 43 institutions in the top 100.

    The decline in British institutions is partly to do with institutions not recruiting enough high-quality staff from abroad due to increasing restrictions on visas.

    It also to do with the pressures on universities to meet quotas to increase the proportion of disadvantaged and ethnic minority students which is distracting them from focusing on research and high-calibre teaching.

    Alan Smithers, director of the Centre for Education and Employment Research at Buckingham University, said: "The UK university system is still punching above its weight, but there are worrying signs that its global standing may be in decline.

    "In part, this is because for immigration reasons universities have become less open to students and scholars from around the world.

    "But it is also because of Government interference. Its current polices are causing universities to take their eye off the ball of recruiting the best to comply with Government demands to increase the proportions entering and graduating from state schools, ethnic minorities and postcodes from which, in the past, few students have come.

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    Harvard University ranked first for the sixth year running CREDIT: REX FEATURES
    "Universities in the United States dominate the rankings because the outstanding fully-independent universities set the pace and most –state as well as private - are well funded, receiving generous donations from former students."

    Phil Baty, Times Higher Education rankings editor, said: "The UK remains the second most-represented nation in this list of the most reputable universities – behind only the US – but it has lost ground this year. It claims 10 universities in the top 100, down from 12 last year, and seven of these have are ranked in lower positions.

    "Even the country’s most prestigious institutions have slipped, with the universities of Cambridge and Oxford each dropping two places to fourth and fifth place respectively. The UK’s diminishing performance occurs as institutions in Asia rapidly rise up the table; the continent has 17 representatives, up from 10 last year."

    Elsewhere in Europe, four of Germany's six institutions have dropped down the list this year, it is the first time there are six German institutions within the top 90.

    University of Cambridge, United Kingdom (2)
    • University of California, Berkeley, United States (6)
    • Princeton University, United States (7)
    • Yale University, United States (8)
    • Columbia University, United States (10)
    • California Institute of Technology, United States (9)
     
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    It's no wonder degrees are becoming worthless. You may as well buy one off the internet these days.
     
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    I think you have misread the situation completely.

    These universities were never meant to add worth (at least more worth than their lesser known cousins) to students. Their aim was to create an exculsive club and create fifth column ,loyal to British culture, in foreign countries. Thus majority of students of these colleges were always foreigners.

    You are expecting something (merit) from these universities,when they were not devised around that principle. They were political clubs, and if they are falling in their rankings, it is because either quality of political candidates there have fell due to fall in importance of UK in international affairs, or some Britishers who attend there are becoming dumb due to SJW culture of entitlement.
     
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    I think you'll find that many of these universities existed well before foreigners started coming to them, so the idea that they were created to form a 5th column when all the students in them used to be British is frankly absurd.

    If you read the second link, you'll see that the British applicants have superior qualifications but are being discriminated against.
     
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    It does not matter. For more than 50 years,primary job of these universities has been to create a club-of-elites ,which would provide unspoken favors to each other and control peasant population home; and create fifth column abroad. As far as education is concerned, you could get better education at non-name decent universities, but not contacts.

    And this generic rant of qualifications and diversity in Telegraph is silly. They are not talking about degree mills,but top universities. They never had been objective criterion for admissions to them, even at domestic level, as these universities are designed to be club of elites; for international students, criterion simply could not exist as standard of marking everywhere are different. Some placed have liberal marking system with everyone getting 90%+,in other places,you would struggle to get 70%, even though latter is a better institution.

    Article does not even bother to make internal sense. It states
    which does not make sense because "students and scholars from around the world" are immigrants. What does Telegraph want to say? That immigrates are lowering standards because universities are less open to immigrants!

    If it is using immigrants as a code word for Polish immigrants or currently invading pakistani migrants, I would say you are fucked. Your elites have plan to replace second rung leadership of your country by pakistani,while they remain the puppetmasters. They are providing pakistani with connections to overtake your country, and nothing would be able to stop sharia in UK. You could tell who would govern you after 15 years from by composition of graduating class of your best universities.
     
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    So you're saying I'm part of a 5th column or elite club?

    Yes there have been objective levels for entry, they're called UCAS points.

    Yes, less open to some immigrants because they have to take in minority groups here for the sake of diversity.
     

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