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British warships 'so noisy' Russian submarines can hear them 100 miles away, investigation finds

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  1. GSLV Mk III

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    British warships 'so noisy' Russian submarines can hear them 100 miles away, investigation finds

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    Laura Hughes, political correspondent
    5 FEBRUARY 2017 • 11:15AM


    Britain's ability to defend itself against a major military attack has been called into question after an investigation found Navy warships are so loud they can be heard 100 miles away by Russian submarines.

    Rear Admiral Chris Parry, a former director of operational capability for the Ministry of Defence, said the £1 billion a piece Type 45 destroyers are “as noisy as hell” and sound like "a box of spanners" underwater.

    It comes amid warnings that years of defence cuts and expensive procurement contracts with a small number of large defence firms, has the left the military with an "existential minimum" amount of equipment.

    The Ministry of Defence spent £3.5bn on each of the Army's Ajax tanks, but they are unable to fit on board transport aircraft without needing to be dismantled, according to an investigation by the Sunday Times.

    A further £1.2 billion was spent on 54 Watchkeeper reconnaissance drones, which haven’t entered frontline service for 12 years.

    General Sir Richard Barrons, a former commander of Joint Forces Command, has called on the Government to "re-bench" the armed forces.

    He said: "You are dealing with a legacy of iterative hollowing out, which has reached a point where the frog has boiled."

    Long-rumoured problems with the Navy’s fleet of six Type 45 destroyers that left them total powerless were confirmed early this year.

    The Ministry of Defence issued a statement admitting “reliability issues” had affected the ships and said that it was considering upgrades to the vessels to make them more reliable.

    The warships were originally designed to work in the cool waters of the North Atlantic, but in hotter climates, the jet engines have experienced problems with heat, causing them to shut down.

    Admiral Parry said: “We used to put little wooden wedges between the hatchclips and the hatches in my destroyer to stop them rattling so we could keep the noise down."


    “We have forgotten all about it — it’s crazy. Noise suppression has been probably the biggest dirty secret since the end of the Cold War that people have been cheerfully ignoring.”

    The Ministry of Defence ordered 54 Watchkeeper reconnaissance drones in 2005 in an £847m deal to provide surveillance and reconnaissance for troops.

    The drones can beam back high definition images as they fly up to 16,000ft above the battlefield, but technical and safety delays have meant that apart from a brief stint in Afghanistan, the aircraft will not enter full service until this year.

    An MOD spokesperson said: "Britain's defence budget is the biggest in Europe and it is growing every year, we are investing £178 billion as the UK steps up globally.

    "We are focused on maintaining an affordable programme and getting the best value for the taxpayer to deliver the cutting-edge kit our Armed Forces need to keep Britain safe."
     
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    @Blue Marlin
    If true that's a serious matter to the former "naval superpower"

    May be just usual propaganda to secure additional funds
     
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    Don't think British warships were built for stealth. Neither were American.
     
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    Not even this beast??
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    we were a naval superpower before ww2, after that things changed.
    its the mod's fault for not taking action, the problem was raised years ago. yet they kept quiet about it.
    now were ending up spending £1 billion to fix them. and it set us back £1 billion to build per ship!

    heck even our type 26's have been cut and to make up the numbers were getting smaller type 31's which has some good export potential i guess.
     
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    UK still is Tech powerhouse. They have a lot experience in warships building
    What's went wrong?
     
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    "Long-rumoured problems with the Navy’s fleet of six Type 45 destroyers that left them total powerless were confirmed early this year."

    The most worrying thing in the report above is the tendency of the mod to keep under-wraps, operational failure, as if its wartime. This shuts down potential for feedback and external pressure to improve.

    Makes one question the true substance of "Western quality".
     
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    maintenance and negligence issues
     
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    Money I guess, they dont have India or any other country to loot and spend money on aaiyashi, they are slowly slowly becoming irrelevant and returning to the original place they belong in changing geopolitical scenario.
     
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    *Yawn* Questionable report.

    All I can tell you is that during the Cold War, British submarines were often directly beneath the Admiral Kutsenov.
     
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    any references.
     
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    A documentary from a while back.
     
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    I see what you did there :lol:
     
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    Dead link.

    You'd also be surprised how far away subs can hear ships in general. 100 miles is relatively stealthy.
     

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