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CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunder

Discussion in 'South Asia & SAARC' started by Agent_47, May 10, 2017.

  1. stephen cohen

    stephen cohen Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    JF 17 will fire its BVRs at IAF Fighter planes in order to force them to take countermeasures

    PAF's Doctrines is based on Forcing IAF fighters to Abort their missions

    For them that is victory

    JF 17 will never get into a Merge with IAF planes

    Secondly the loiter time of JF 17 is quite less
    Because of the Fuel Guzzler RD 93 and Limited Internal Fuel capacity

    IF they load up Drop tanks JF 17's manuverability gets badly affected

    We can shoot down JF 17 when it is turning and going back :2GUNS:
     
  2. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    It's only a dot on your radar, how do you distinguish it from a transport or even civilan aircraft? By visual ID!

    The type of engine doesn't matter, because the main countermeasures are EW capabilities.

    Again you fall into 1 on 1 comparisons of the aircrafts, instead of understanding the situation.
    Their AWACS can detect fighter sized targets from several 100Km distance. So any attack to the target will be visible from distance. It doesn't matter what aircraft we have or what range our BVR missiles have, they will know the attack is coming and prepare to counter it. The only way to counter their radar, are low level approach tactics and most importantly stealth fighters. The latter will obviously not be invisible either, but has the highest chance to get close enough and avoid ground defences.
     
  3. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    'PAF had unearthed ‘mega’ corruption by certain officials in JF-17 project'
    tribune.com.pk

    http://fp.brecorder.com/2017/05/20170516179285/

    Senate on Monday passed amendment in the Pakistan Air Force Act, 1953 that gives powers to the Air Force to reopen cases, with retrospective effect, against retired officers under the Air Force Act by majority vote with the government and the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf joining hands.

    The senators from Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), however did not take part in the vote. Apprehending that back dated-legislation seemed to target some unspecified former officers of the PAF, Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) Senator Farhatullah Babar asked the government to explain the rationale behind the back-dated legislation.

    No one is against trial under the PAF act of retired officers involved in corruption, he said, adding that it is also well known that Army and Navy also try their retired officers under their respective Acts if found involved in corruption and do not send their cases to National Accountability Bureau or any other civilian agency.

    Babar said that a PAF officer who retired 17 years ago is a civilian and can be tried for alleged corruption under the stringent provisions of the NAB applicable from 1985.

    "What is the special need for amending the PAF Act with a back-dated effect," he asked.

    The whole thing smacks of malafide intent, persons specific and shady which, will only undermine the credibility of the institution and the trial for corruption under the amended PAF Act itself, he said.

    Senator Babar had also submitted a dissenting note at the time of its passage by the defence committee of the senate a few weeks ago. Later, he moved an amendment to do away with retrospective effect and to make it applicable prospectively which however was not allowed.

    "Until the rationale for making back date legislation is adequately explained, doubts will linger that it is some person specific and not intended to root out corruption," he said. He said that justification advanced in the name of secrecy and sensitivity is spurious as provisions exist for addressing issues in sensitivity in trial courts also.

    Farhatullah Babar said that lately the security establishment had exposed itself to have scant regard for the courts, the parliament and everything civilian.

    Whether it was the back-dated amendment recently in the National Command Authority Act, or refusal to answer parliamentary questions about post retirement perks and privileges of senior officers or the present Bill the story was the same, he said.

    "I beseech the security establishment to please look inwardly and ask itself whether it was right," he said. Law Minister Zahid Hamid said that it was necessary to get the amendment passed as the PAF does not want to disclose the "sensitive information" in the corruption cases openly to the NAB or any other anti-corruption body.

    Making a statement on behalf of the Prime Minister's Advisor to Foreign Affairs, Minister for States and Frontier Regions Abdul Qadir Baloch informed the Senate that Pakistan and Iran enjoy excellent relations and there is a desire on both sides to further cement these relations by enhancing their trade to five billion dollars.

    He said that recent statement of the Iranian Army Chief was highly inappropriate but the Iranian Ambassador in Pakistan has clarified that the statement was taken out of context. He said the Iranian side has retracted the statement. About the recent Afghan firing near Chaman, the minister said that negotiations are underway at different levels in order to reduce the tension between Pakistan and Afghanistan. He said that recently two delegations visited Afghanistan and held positive talks with the top Afghan leadership.
     
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  4. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Further excerpts [From my acquaintances]

    Further there have been crashes of JF17 Block 1 due to engine failures , whoes exact numbers are unknown[Numbers can be as high as half dozen including 2 known crashes], as PAF successfully suppressed all such news, except 2 instances, which came out in open. Even the 2Nd instance was suppressed with no official word coming from PAF.

    These crashed airframes have been replaced by new built Air frames delivered from China.

    Also the problems in Block 1 and Block 2 is the main reason why despite Chinese building a assembly line with capacity of 1 JF17 , every 2 weeks, the capacity is only 50% utilised.
    The Block 3 is where PAF is hoping to get a proper , safe , working fighter jet.

    But the problems , which are too serious, will persist till the Engine and Airframe issues aren't solved.

    @PARIKRAMA @kaku
     
  5. X_Killer

    X_Killer Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Jf-17 Blunder
    oops , I mean Thunder :dance3:

    It has the record of 100% pilot kill ratio in all crashes.
    It means ejection system is also a Blunder.
    But good thing is that unlike our Chandipur , PAKISTAN has a live firing range for live TRIALS named Balochistan
     
  6. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    A single RD33 family engine is a guarantee of mishap.
     
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  7. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    PS: For some reason, the Express Tribune link is re directing to another article, there fore I have posted a link to the same article published by another portal.
     
  8. X_Killer

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    Adoption of a failed Project (FC-1) is a biggest mistake in this case.
    China developed it but didn't Inducted into PLAAF.
    China knows that they may have a swift war with Pak to have complete control over it that's why no potent project is shared (JV/Sale) with Pak
     
  9. zebra7

    zebra7 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    It was the excellent move by the Chinese CAC. Not only, they marketed the PAF, get their money to revive almost dead project aka super 7 , and earn the first launching customer and order in the market where their is such a great competition. Not only that will help in increasing their share in the internation arms export, but their weapons, subsystems and they got the customer who is willing to market their product and even send its pilots for the display shows. Strategically they gain the support and faith of the Pakistani people to believe that China is a Reliable friend.

    For the PAF who is the customer of this products gains from this industrial venture by getting the plane quickly, and getting the weapons system, which nobody was selling them such as the ALCM, BVRAAM and that too with the Chinese loans plus PAC gets its share in assembling the planes from the kit initially, and then increasing their work share their after, and will get the spares, support and upgrade orders also, thus don't have to depend on the Saudi aid to acquire the weapon system as in case of SAAB's AEW ES. P.S PAF without JF-17 would be in very bad condition, looking at the condition of their old airframes way it J-7, A-5, Mirrage 3/5, or F-16 A/B.

    I think it was the smart move, and both parties gains alot.
     
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  12. X_Killer

    X_Killer Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    India is financing them (BD) for buying Mig-35.
     
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    Pundrick Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    :confused: What!! When ??

    Those 500 $ million credit line is for small arms not Mig35s.
     
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    zebra7 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    One mistake, instead of JF-17, change it to CAC FC-1. JF-17 is the designated nomenclature for the PAF's FC-1.
     
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