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Catalonia declares independence as Spain prepares to impose direct rule

Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by BMD, Oct 28, 2017.

  1. BMD

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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...le-catalan-parliament-president-a8023221.html

    Catalonia declared independence from Spain less than an hour before a vote in the country’s Senate gave Madrid the power to seize the region’s autonomous powers.

    The vote in the regional parliament followed a tense week of last-ditch negotiations between Madrid and Barecelona. Seventy of 135 Catalan deputies voted for independence, with 10 opposed and two blank ballot slips.

    Opposition lawmakers had walked out of the chamber ahead of Friday’s vote in protest.

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    Rounds of applause broke out in the chamber as members of the parliament hugged and shook hands.

    Thousands of people watched the voting process and the counting live on big screens outside Catalonia’s parliament in Barcelona, and cheered and danced after the motion was passed.

    The motion calls for beginning an independence process that includes drafting Catalonia’s new top laws and opening negotiations “on equal footing” with Spanish authorities to establish co-operation.


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    On Thursday Catalan president Carles Puigdemont had ruled out calling a snap election, thought to have been a potential way of defusing tension with the central government.

    Mr Puigdemont said he had not received sufficient guarantees that Madrid would hold off on its attempts to take control of the region.

    Spain’s prime minister, Mariano Rajoy, tweeted immediately after the vote calling for calm. He said the rule of law would be restored in Catalonia.


    Spain’s senate voted on Friday, shortly after the Catalan independence vote, to trigger Article 155 of the constitution and allow the imposition of direct rule.

    The vote will give Madrid the authority to govern Catalonia is the first direct intervention by central authorities in the affairs of one of the country’s 17 autonomous areas.

    Mr Rajoy will have the power to sack Mr Puigdemont and his cabinet among other measures. Mr Rajoy is understood to be planning immediately to enact the Article 155 provisions during an urgent meeting on Friday afternoon.
     
  2. InfoWarrior

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    This will open Pandoras box. More disunity in Europe and more diplomatic opportunities for outsiders.
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    Wales doesn't want independence. There isn't even a significant percentage in favour of it and Scotland and NI have bot he had referendums. How much more area would be coloured in if we talked about independence from the EU?
     
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    Whatever. I hope no one uses this as some precedence for demanding plebiscite in J&K.
     
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    I hope this will be used as a precedence.

    Article 155 is already passed. Spain will impose direct rule and crush any disidence. All signs lead to violence.

    India should call upon this in future. A sovereign nation will not and should not allow breakaways. If a modern enlightened society can do this, so can a backward third world country.

    One nation for all. Whatever religion or language you speak.
     
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    That's what you think .With GB out of the EU , the sorry saga of how your isolated economy will
    start unravelling has just started to unfold .

    Since you are effectively still a nation of shopkeepers , which is why you or most commentators choose to put down to the economic benefits accrued to NI , Scotland or perhaps even a Wales were it to opt for a referendum in the near future - their decision to stay , their decision to leave shall also be due to the diminished Returns such as a recently isolated economy will bring.

    Be patient Give it time .GB wasn't built in a day .It won't fall in one . It needs gradual chipping away at its foundations which its citizens are industriously toiling towards - unintentionally or otherwise .
     
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    The problem is that the liberal Western media seems to like Catalonians and their 'right' to Independence. Seeing as how thinking is not their strong suit, they may equate Catalonians with Kashmiris. Whether that has any physical impact on India is debatable but you still don't want bad press.
     
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    I doubt things will play out that way. When Serbia couldn't impose rule on Bosnia, all pseudo seculars ganged up on Serbia. Then why would they let Christians Catalonians get crushed.

    Besides this is more like Telangana getting separated from Andra pradesh, Or Uttarakhand from UP. Europe is almost like a country. Spain will be stopped from using violence beyond a limit, if it wants to keep its EU membership.

    Lucky for India, we have nukes to stop any foreign military intervention in Kashmir.
     
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    Like we Indians will accept this plebiscite. India is a nuclear power, no mouse can bell this nuclear cat. Implementing such a plebiscite is like, SC building Babri masjid.
     
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    Catalonia is not a Eastern European hellhole or a impoverished third world state. It is a very rich part of Spain. Pays lot to Madrid and consumes less. A lot of the foreign investment comes to that region.

    Spain will do everything to hold.

    EU will look the other way. Lip service will be there. They will repeat saying this is a Internal Spanish issue. Not a good time for EU nowadays.
     
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    True. That land should be razed and a National Park or something should be built. No statues.
     
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    Why not the RAM Janmabhoomi ?
     
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    Why? Why not the masjid? Why not a church? Why not a monastery?

    For once, how about building something to celebrate every Indian? For once? Who am I kidding
     
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    We Indians should learn lessons from it. Religion and nationalism is the glue that keeps India together, too much of anything is bad, even secularism. Kashmir is 800 kms away which, we need Blood and sweat of 7 lakh soldiers to keep it with us, because its Muslim majority. Hindu majority Jammu is naturally nationalist. Heck Trivandrum which 2800 kms away is automatically pro-India because its majority Hindu.
     

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