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Catalonia declares independence as Spain prepares to impose direct rule

Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by BMD, Oct 28, 2017.

  1. Vergennes

    Vergennes Strategist Staff Member MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Spain's PM,Rajoy announced ;

    -The dismissal the president of Catalonia,Carles Puigdemont, his government and the regional police chief.
    -The dissolution of the parliament of Catalonia and new elections on December 21.
    -The central government ministries will assume the powers of the Catalan administration
    -Rajoy intends to appeal to the constitutional court to nullify the measures adopted friday afternoon by the Catalan Parliament.

    Prosecutors said rebellion charge will be filed against Carles Puigdemont. If charged,he risks up to 30 years in prison.
     
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    Vergennes Strategist Staff Member MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Please guys,keep a focus on Catalonia.
     
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  3. Gessler

    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    This thread is not about Kerala or about Indian Communists. Further off-topic posts will be deleted.
     
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    InfoWarrior Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    90% Catalonians voted for Independence, Catalonia has access to sea. Spain can't use too much , military/police power due to human right restrictions of EU. Let's see how things play out.
     
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  5. Vergennes

    Vergennes Strategist Staff Member MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    With a turnout of around 42%. Spain's constitution clearly states that no region can make secession. They have have created their own problems by voting for a constitution in 1978 which doesn't allow the right of any of Spain's region for self-determination. (Catalonia was among the regions where the Yes percentage was among the highest : ~95%). To declare independence,they must change the constitution and convince others to do so.

    Spain will use whatever measures and means necessary to safeguard its territorial integrity and keep the constitutional order everywhere in Catalonia. It's not like they have anything to prove.
    We also have to understand Spain's point of view. They aren't crazy enough to let go one of their wealthiest region and biggest exporter,foreign investment receiver,tax contributor etc.

    The EU is backing Spain and will never recognize an independent Catalonia. Same as the majority of countries of this planet. (bar maybe some bogus states that no one recognizes either)

    You must know that Catalonia is already among the region of Spain enjoying the most autonomy and control on matters such as education,security,health,culture,economy etc.
     
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    If suppose Catalonias rebel like crazy, leading to clashes and violence. And EU lets Catalonia get Independent. Will Spain quit EU in response ?

    Or if Catalonian movement is suppressed and EU sides with Spain. Lowering Human rights record and reputation. Many humane countries like Ireland will quit EU ? Leading to Balkanization.

    Lets see how Spain and EU handles it, Will reveal more about human psychology.
     
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    Scotland wanted another referendum after BREXIT. I guess they will do it in next 2 years,Once UK is fully out of EU and it starts to pinch them.
     
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    Like i said 'KARMA ALWAYS COMES BACK' The Europeans were champions of Human rights,freedom,Democracy and what not, the same thing which they imposed on others around the world has come back to bite them in their arse. I never laughed this hard and so much in my life at 'KARMA Paying its debts'
    I can surely say,this the Domino effect of how, a European Union will crumble soon.
    President Trump must be having his last laugh, especially after his "EU can trade with Iran" Comment.:rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
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    The two situations aren't even remotely similar, which is why I support Catalan Independence, but not even special privileges/articles for Kashmir.
     
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    Guess we are coming full circle.

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    What human rights ? Haven't you seen how Spanish police and Guardia Civil were beating people ? No one in Europe dared to condemn Spain so not to endenger their ties with the country. Belgium's PM dared,but received in return a violent backlash from Spain. If you didn't see,everyone sided with Spain on the issue.
     
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    I keep hearing this bullshit, but where are your referendums to prove it? Many nations want out of the EU. Their government won't give then a referendum, so they leave the country first.

    63% of Scottish exports go to the rest of UK, 16% go to EU. UK subsidises them by 8% of GDP/year, EU takes 0.5% of their GDP per year. They get cheaper borrowing in the UK and only pay a per population share of debt interest, rather than a per what they racked up share. More Scots voted to remain in the UK than the EU.
     
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    Which shows where the EU truly stands on human rights. They don't care unless it's in their interests. Colonialism deja vu.
     
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