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CBI raids NDTV founder Prannoy Roy's home

Discussion in 'Internal Affairs' started by Butter Chicken, Jun 5, 2017.

  1. Golden_Rule

    Golden_Rule Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    You seem to have a specialty in poo cooking .... here is some for you :dumbhorse:
     
  2. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    https://thewire.in/137092/denial-jobless-growth-unemployment-modi-bjp/


    and this is bonus for you to have nightmares in in the night (with rose flower in hair for extra impact)

    [​IMG]
     
  3. zebra7

    zebra7 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    When commies propagandist feeling threatened, they start to attack Modi. Mamoo Modi is not the topic, its the SEBI raid and the CBI enquiry of the Pronnoy roy involvement in the so called illegal money involvement.

    GET WELL SOON Mamoo, and remember, Modi thanks all Commies, because it is their attacks, and propaganda that he could now become the PM of the India, and among the most popular leader in the whole world, and yes your negative propaganda and negative diplomacy have brought the Congress to such a pathetic and miserable state, with Zero and yes Zero seats in U.P. Good luck with 40 seats and very soon 4 seats soon, and most probably both mother and son would be kicked out of the oldest party. You are doing good job, actually working on the MK Gandhi vision and desire of the disolvement of the Congress party after Independence.
     
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  4. zebra7

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    Arundhati Roy was born to a Keralite Syrian Christian mother, the women's rights activist Mary Roy, and a Bengali father, a tea planter by profession. Roy is a cousin of prominent media personality Prannoy Roy (interestingly Prannoy Roy's mother also comes from Christian background and he is married to Radhika Roy who is the sister of CPI(M) Politburo member Brinda Karat, wife of CPI (M) General Secretary Prakash Karat .
    ........ What a combination of people - no doubt they belong to the anti - India and anti - Hindu elite and political clout of India, who are running the show now .......


    An Open Letter To Arundhati Roy

    Dear Ms Roy,
    For many years now you have enriched the public life of our nation. First, as a Booker winning novelist with a meteoric debut on the literary firmament, and then as an essayist, persistently pricking the conscience of a sometimes indifferent and ignorant nation, highlighting wide ranging issues of urgent concern. Over the years your provocative essays in the pages of Outlook magazine amount to a substantial intellectual achievement in their own right. One has not always agreed with you, but from big dams to the nuclear bomb, from the vagaries of capitalism to the dangers of American Imperialism, your writings on these important issues have left no one in any doubt about where you stand. Disagree with them as one might, your views occupied an intellectually coherent and morally compelling space in our public life. Until recently, when one read your two pieces on Kashmir and Mumbai with a growing sense of shock, anger, pity and dismay.
    As a literary device, self loathing has its uses; the God of Small Things was a splendid lesson in the use of this sentiment. However I am not sure that nations and civilizations can organize their policies around this self indulgent mood. Your two pieces, 'Azadias far as substance goes, I think you have fallen into the trap of being in love with the sound and significance of your own voice. It is still a powerful voice, a seductive voice too, but because it chooses to amplify only those other voices that are prepared to sing in chorus, it is a voice bereft of any sense of moral responsibility. I am sure once again your latest writings will bring you further international recognition as a writer of conscience and conviction, striving tirelessly to expose the monstrosities of the Indian state and civilization. Dare I suggest that the Magsaysay and the Nobel Peace Prize, the Holy Grails of the seemingly rootless international intellectual might not be too far behind? But Madam, despite your great charm and greater intellect, this is a Faustian bargain. For in doing so you are doing irreparable harm to the very idea of the intellectual as a defender of virtue and morality in public life who too, like the problems you write about, much as he or she would want to, cannot be removed from the context (your favourite word) that created her, nurtured her and accorded the civic and intellectual space for her to articulate and propagate her views. ' and '9 is Not 11' see you as usual in top form as far as style and rhetoric are concerned, but
    As someone who for the past 12 years has worn the Khaki uniform, as a servant of your favourite object of hate, the Indian state, I confess to a persistent sense of ambivalence and despair about the manner in which I am expected to serve. At the same time I cannot deny an equally abiding sense of pride in the importance of what we are supposed to do and of the importance of institutions in general in giving meaning and protection to what would otherwise be a society ruthless and brutal, beyond even your considerable powers of comprehension and description.
    Therefore, I am offended and disgusted by your incomplete, incoherent and therefore immoral portrayal of the recent upheavals of Indian history. I used to think that you articulate the pain of the silent, marginalized, oppressed masses of our country. I had no idea that you held a brief for all those who never felt anything at all not just for India in particular, but who also actively profess violent rage at the shared values of the entire human race.
    According to you, everything that the police and security forces do or say whether in Kashmir, or in the war on terror, or against Naxalism, is a falsehood, where as everything that is said by 'Kashmiri Freedom Fighters', or by the harmless theologians of the Lashkar-e-Toiba and their ideological cousins of the Al Qaeda, or by the peace loving disciples of Marx and Mao living a bucolic existence in the jungles of central India, constitutes sufficient grounds to indict the Indian state and civil society in perpetuity.
    The people of India have always had a tradition to look up to men and woman of the arts and culture to serve as their moral compass. One really wonders what lines of logic and ethics shape your sense of moral direction.
    You seem to passionately believe in and defend the 'right' of the Kashmiris to ethnic, cultural, religious and geographical exclusivism
    . If this is correct than why should we vilify Raj Thackeray or any other chauvinist who seeks to preserve the purity (however defined) of his people (however defined) from outsiders (also however defined)? If the Kashmiris are justified in picking up the gun to safeguard their exclusive identity, then every part of India is justified in doing so.
    I do hope you have taken the trouble to examine the fundamental assumptions underlying all such movements based on an assertion of a cultural identity. The creation of a hated outsider, in the case of Kashmir, the Indian; in the case of Raj Thackeray, the bhaiya of UP and Bihar; and in the case of the jihadists, anyone and everyone who does not subscribe to their virulent strain of Islam, including Muslims, is common to all these ideologies but you seem to pick and choose the bigotries you will demonize and the bigotries you will defend. Is it possible to freeze identity to a moment in time and on the basis of this demand recognition, retribution and rights for all time to come?
    In your world view, the wrongs of Indian security forces of the last twenty years, and the failures of Indian state craft before it, are sufficient justifications for Kashmiri grievances, just as the wrongs of Babri Masjid, the Mumbai riots of 1993, the Gujarat riots of 2002, will justify Islamist terror against India, and the wrongs of corrupt governance and poor administration will justify Naxalite violence, in all perpetuity.Why should only these events be accepted as justification for settling scores by shedding the blood of innocents? By this logic, the Crucifixion of Christ amply justifies the Holocaust. We non white societies must all be allowed eternal rights to slaughter the Europeans for the sins of colonialism and slavery. Islam itself had a long history of violent conquest and forcible conversions, perhaps that should justify an eternal crusade or dharmyudhh against Islam? The Greeks and Romans have their own scores to settle with the Christian Church. The Latin Americans have their own grievances with Spain and Portugal. Seen this way, human history is merely a parody of the eternal theme of perpetrators and victims, and all present violence, no matter how barbaric or senseless, can be justified with reference to some past grievance, and we must allow these grievances full expression no matter what. Only then would we return to a state of original purity where all historical sins of the past and present have been fully avenged and the moral ledger as you see it stands perfectly balanced. The only thing is that after this bloody book-keeping, there may not be anyone left to enjoy the fruits of such a 'just' society.
    The Indian state, whose sworn servant I am, is by no means a perfect entity. It is certainly corrupt, it is sometimes brutal and it is often indifferent to the sufferings of the weak and the powerless. But it does have a vision and aim based on certain civilizational values that are uniquely Indian. Demography and history dictates that these values have a prominently Hindu flavour. It is undeniable that these values have come under attack at times from the Hindu right as well. But even the most rabid of the Hindutva forces do not see the world united under the saffron flag by force of arms, as is the Islamist project of one world under the Green Crescent, or the Naxal project of one world under the Red Star.
    It would take a pretty breathless and brainless leap of logic to equate violent, local outbursts of Hindu chauvinism, abetted by the sins of commission and omission of the state apparatus, in themselves however repugnant and indefensible, with the atrocities on a global scale that were inflicted by Communism in the 20th century or the outrages that are now threatened across all parts of the world by jihadi Islam.
    To call the foreign funded insurgency in Kashmir and the terror attacks across the country as justified blowback for the failures of the Indian state and civil society is both false and callous. It implies a failure of the imagination and the intellect and the complete abdication of moral responsibility by you.

    One could indeed forgive you, Ma'am, if you were purely an artist. Art has at the best of times a complicated relationship with truth and life. But in your avatar as a public intellectual, you cannot abandon your commitment to the demands of truth, accuracy and the ability to discriminate between the varieties of human experience and action. The liberties you have exercised in the past and continue to do today, however gratuitously and offensively, do not exist in a vacuum. I am not sure if any of these liberties would have a place in a Naxalite Utopia or a Jihadi Caliphate or even in a self-determined Kashmiri paradise that you eloquently espoused. As visions of human perfectibility they are far more flawed than the vision of India that you love to denigrate. In any case, the liberties that you have recently taken with the sensibilities of proud Indians too exist in a cultural, political and constitutional context, a context that is ultimately safeguarded by men such as Hemant Karkare and Major Unnikrishnan with disregard for their own life. Remember that the next time you use your poisoned pen to vent your twisted logic on a polity that deserves better from its intellectuals.
    Warm regards
    Abhinav Kumar
    Abhinav Kumar is a serving IPS officer. Though these are his personal views, he hopes that they also reflect the anguish of an entire fraternity of proud Indians in uniform
     
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  5. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    'it' always has propaganda against Roy, Kejriwal, Bhushan etc. in file folder.
     
  6. zebra7

    zebra7 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Now the cat is out of the Box, and their real Agenda is out in the Public. Rest assure they would be cornered by the public, once truth comes out.

    Keep Crying, and arrange the whole box of napkin with you.
     
  7. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Lol!! 'Public' has no support for you. The only thing you have is goons beating up people.
     
  8. zebra7

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    Keep living in the Lala land. Public beating by some thugs and you got the mudda for pasting that the RSS and Modi or Yogi.

    The best thing that Pakistan did after independence was that they kick the Communist out of the country immediately. Keep supporting those goons and threatened people to disguise the real Agenda behind.
     
  9. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Again, read what you said. Circumlocution and deflections only mark you down as a troll.. I shall now quote the exact statement of yours:

    If there was fudging, it would not be coming as under:

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...w-govt-data/story-UkWVLA9jQyZJZuNCWXI3BO.html

    You would have found --- exponential growth in employment figures or some other crap as headlines!

    You see, even as per GoI there has been a slow in the employment. That is expected. Something which I have been drawing attention to since months, nay years.

    Without a cap on children, there is going to be a large population which will be entering the job market every year. With an increase in the retirement age, and life expectancy rising on the backs of better health care facilities, there will be a large pool of working elders in the population. As such, the vacancies in job market will fall.

    Additionally, increased automation and globalisation, coupled to the fact that margins are shrinking, automation will be increased further to reduce the revenue costs of a cost centre, thereby reducing the overheads in man hours lost and quality deterioration in case of loss of trained personnel/separation of the same and training of a new one.

    In short, you will find that the actual jobs being created will certainly reduce, and people will have to change from the traditional organised sector to an unorganised sector, as seen in Western Nations.

    Now, who is responsible for policies that were in vogue for the population which is working age today?

    Think hard on that. The day Indian lands become more fertile than their beds, things will change.


    Something for you to chew over on their achievements:

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...iscal-deficit-target/articleshow/52523859.cms

    http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/pr...d-sustained-growth-says-new-world-bank-report

    Disclaimer: You are speaking to a person who saw the Operation Demonetisation at first hand as an executor of one portion of it! :)
     
  10. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Is it amazing why India still lags in most of the indices? Look at the dissonance between facts and comprehension.

    The basic comprehension faculties have been rendered ineffectual because of the common Indian's inflated concept of 'self'. Without understanding the issue, mere rants here.

    @Guynextdoor your post of 'fudging unemployment' exemplifies this tendency in the Indians of showing their inaccuracies being as facts inspite of all evidence to the contrary allowing them on their own to deduce them as such.

    At no point can you precisely pin point where the fudging has taken place. If you want to highlight that Modi himself is fudging the fact that there is a slowdown in employment whereas in actuality it has increased, it may just about make sense. But, even a drunk retard, will not be able to call open acceptance of slow down in employment as 'fudging unemployment to hide jobless growth'. Not by a far stretch of any kind of imagination.

    Schizophrenics can :)

    If one goes through all the reports as available in various forums, everywhere it has been said that there has been slowdown in hiring in India. In the same sequence, many reports have also given the reason for the same.

    However, in your enthusiasm, you simply did the typical Indian thing - shut off your limbic system and went on and on and on like Duracell.

    [​IMG]
     
  11. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    You are ignoring the link I sent you. Jobless growth has nothing to do with de-monetization. For the record I have always supported that move, despite my opposition to Modi I think that was a necessary effort even if it did not succeed completely.
     
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    Go through the Skill India Plan, if you are seriously wanted to remove the unemployment in the country, and various steps taken by the present govt. First you need to understand that the people of India have choosen a PM prime minister and not a Magician with a Magic Wand.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Skill India and Stand Up India has trained over one crore people to become entrepreneurs. These people are now self employed and also giving job to 2-3 people each. There is a Chinese saying, 'if you give a fish to a hungry person, you feed him once, if you teach him how to catch fish, you feed generations". Giving emplyment is short term solution. Another big reason for so called low growth in jobs is that a very large number of bogus entries from MNREGA have been removed and so is the bogus recruitment for this scheme.
     
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    Its practically impossible to know the actual effect on employment numbers. Reason being employment numbers from Labour Ministry does not include overall numbers and misses quite a few portions of the economy. This is a fact accepted by them. Anyways, the real effect of employment will be known only after couple of years, when the figures from the uptake of loans is and consumption is known.
     
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    I haven't ignored any such thing. You are yet to give me a link where it is substantiated that fudging did take place to hide the jobless growth. Do not give me opinion pieces as narrated by you.

    I, on the other hand, am giving you a link which exactly proves the point that jobless growth took place and there has been a slowdown in job creation as per GoI itself. This, is a direct antithesis to fudging of facts, my dear sir.

    Do you understand the difference? Or are you acting ignorant even after understanding the two different aspects that exist here?

    In one case, specifically in your statement, you are charging the Government of lying, and failing to prove the charge. In the other case, I, am proving that the government has not lied about unemployment and has itself conceded that slowdown in job creation has occurred, thereby rebutting your charge of fudging of unemployment figures to hide jobless growth.

    It is like saying a driver killed a man, while in fact, the one killed jumped in front of the vehicle due to foolishness/intent of committing suicide.

    The unfortunate problem in India is that everyone thinks that one can raise allegation and get away. No, that is not how any lawful state works, nor anyways how a lawful society works.

    So, I am charging you with outright misrepresentation of facts to suit your narrative and making baseless allegations. Too long have we allowed people to make baseless allegations and get away with it.

    There.

    Now disprove my charge by posting specific instances wherein MODI HAS FUDGED RECORDS.

    Also, give me the discrepancy from the Official GoI records of unemployment and another collected by yourself with exact method of reaching the statistical significance for any study you have conducted.

    Even the present statement of COAS to permit women in combat roles and proposal to induct women as jawans is in line with the GoI policy of increasing women participation in the employment sector, thereby increasing the workforce. If you read the link I provided of World Bank, it also hints that increased presence of women in the workforce is required to further exploit India's Growth Potential.

    Further, by introduction of Aadhar as mandatory requirement for benefits, and slowly becoming a source of tracking actual implementation of various schemes as opposed to the long rolls maintained physically earlier, the actual work force is being accounted for and the plugs in the system aka bogus work force, has got off the market.

    You have not yet provided a single iota of evidence to substantiate your claims.

    And when I gave you the example of demoetisation, it was to drive in the point that inspite and despite the best efforts of the opposition inclusive of INC, AAP, Left Front and TMC, the drive had 100% support of RBI staff. This, I personally corroborated. And they were not BJP supporters, with one or two critical of Modi.

    But, the impact has been felt and the move is not only being hailed by the financial circles, but also by his detractors who were directly involved in the process too. Siddharamaiah, the CM of Karnataka, kept quiet when he was not even informed of Army moving in to RBI Mysuru to take over the printing operations. He did not say a word against army's moves, unlike West Bengal, where Army moved into disrupt the counterfeit money production and distribution emanating from WB and Mamta Bannerjee and TMC quickly attacked army. Why? Because he knew he has to face an election, and all parameters on ground indicated that Karnataka supported the move.

    So, try as you may to project half baked theories, they fall flat without a shard of proof.
     
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