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Centre scraps $20 billion MMRCA deal for 126 Rafale jets for IAF, LCA Tejas to replace MiG-21

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  1. tusharm

    tusharm Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Centre scraps $20 billion MMRCA deal for 126 Rafale jets for IAF, LCA Tejas to replace MiG-21 | Defenceradar News


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    New Delhi: In a surprising decision which is likely to have a major impact on the Indian Air Force (IAF), the Centre has scrapped the $20 billion Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) deal for purchase of 126 Rafale fighter jets which was negotiated by the previous United Progressive Alliance government. Speaking to CNN-IBN, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar claimed that Rafale fighters cannot replace the ageing MiG-21 which will be phased out in the next 6-10 years.

    Parrikar said that India's indigenous Light Combat aircraft Tejas will replace MiG 21 as both are almost of the same category while the Rafale is a much bigger jet with a longer range and more weapons carrying capabilities. "We have not purchased any new aircraft of latest technology in the past 15 years. IAF desperately needs fourth generation aircraft, the fifth generation that we are working on will take 10-15 years," said Parrikar.

    Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his recent visit to France negotiated with the government there to buy 36 Rafale fighter jets in fly-away condition under a new deal. After meeting French President Francois Hollande in Paris on April 11, Modi announced that IAF would get 36 Rafale jets.

    "I think it is a bold decision and I will give 100 out of 100 to the Prime Minister. Many people politically fail to take decision. But the need of the nation comes first. What Modiji has done is that he has got a deal for 36 aircraft. We will negotiate and will buy more. The ice has been broken," he said.

    "We are phasing out MiG-21. Rafale is not a replacement for MiG. It satisfies the upper end. IAF needs aircraft with capacity of 1000 kms radius. It is a strategic purchase. The earlier government should have taken decisions on government to government deals," added Parrikar.

    While pointing out that IAF needs new fighters within a short time frame and so the government to government deal to buy 36 Rafale jets was finalised.

    "We have not purchased all 36 aircraft. When there is a PM or President level deal, it is matter of principle clearance. We have promised to purchase 36 aircraft. The major reason for the deal is to induct it in the minimum time frame. It is a good deal," he said.

    "Make in India part of the deal will be discussed between ministries. Rafale is a top end fighter and satisfies other criterion as well. The aircraft is expensive and hence we have to take steps. The deal for 126 jets would have cost Rs 90,000 crore. Rafale cannot replace MiG-21, Tejas can do that. We won't induct any low end aircraft. Tejas is a lighter aircraft, it has its limitations. It cannot loiter for hours. Its carrying capacity is only 10-12 tonnes whereas Rafale can carry 24 tonnes," he said.

    On charges made by senior Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader Subramanian Swamy that the Rafale deal is not in India's interest, the Defence Minister said that he will explain to his colleague the entire scenario and that Swamy's reaction was based on instant news.

    But Swamy termed the new Rafale fighter jet deal between India and France a case of arbitrariness. Swamy is yet to decide on what action to take over Modi government's decision to purchase 36 aircraft from France.

    Swamy said, "I have not yet decided on whether to approach the court. I am waiting for papers on the new Rafael deal. It prima facie appears to be a case of arbitrariness." Swamy requested Modi not to go ahead with the Rafale deal, which was negotiated by the previous UPA government, and said the performance of the French jet "turned out to be worst of all the aircraft" in Libya and Egypt.

    IAF had shortlisted the Rafale fighter under the MMRCA deal after a close competition which also saw Eurofighter Typhoon, Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, Mikoyan MiG-35 and Saab JAS 39 Gripen in the race. While Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, Mikoyan MiG-35 and Saab JAS 39 Gripen were eliminated very early, Dassault Rafale edged out the Eurofighter Typhoon in the final negotiation.

    At present the IAf has just 34 fighter squadrons against the ideal 46 squadrons required to take on the threat from both Pakistan and China simultaneously. The ageing MiG-21 and MiG-27 planes are being phased out which will see the IAF strength depleting by at least eight more squadrons.

    Under the MMRCA deal, India was to get only 18 Rafale directly while the rest 108 fighters were to be manufactured by state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. But the final deal between India and France was stuck over who would be responsible for the manufacturers' guarantee on 108 jets which were to be built HAL. India wanted Rafale maker Dassault Aviation to take full responsibility which the latter had not agreed to.

    Source : CNN IBN
    Centre scraps $20 billion MMRCA deal for 126 Rafale jets for IAF, LCA Tejas to replace MiG-21 | Defenceradar News
     
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    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    If true, at least now we know that the deal was worth $15B.
     
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    its good riddance . we have been waiting for so long .
     
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    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Good decision by the PM.

    By kicking HAL out of the picture and procuring all Rafale directly G2G the quality of the Rafales will be as needed for military purposes and not defective flying coffins if HAL assembled them.
     
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    So, its Tejas then.......huh ???
     
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    The part that he promotes LCA Tejas is the best thought from this article
     
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    smestarz Lt. Colonel REGISTERED

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    Logically true that single engine MiG-21 has to be replaced by a single engine plane like Tejas. so its a perfect decision. But that also shows that IAF top brass is grossly incompetent in knowing the actual force mix. The 2 Squadrons of Rafale are supposed to be gesture of good closure to France if they can get it done or not, the balls is in French court now and they have to agree to terms and prices within 90 days as I understand.
    Buying more Rafales as the numbers floated would have firstly either harmed the nos of Tejas (it would have stopped our own aerospace industry from developing and building our own future planes for at least 3 decades. Else we would have ended up over spending on defence.
     
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    Now lets put that 20 Bil saved into Tejas development with max indigenisation asap:biggthumpup:.
     
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    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    seems parrikar has grasped what IAF top brass did not want to underrsttand

    single engine LCA to replace Mig 21s

    also he has categroically said that only Tejas will replace Mig21s and that rafale cannot ever be the Nos filler in IAF
     
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    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Well IAF is retiring 8-sqdn in 2016-2020 period

    and

    we are getting

    4 sdqn of Su30MKI - which will take the total to 272 by 2018
    2 sqdn of Tejas Mk1 - by 2018
    & now
    2 Sqdn of Rafale -

    so the pressure is off GoI & IAF to think thru & rework the options till 2017 at the earliest

    also looking at parrikars mood we may say another 3-4 sqdn order being placed for Tejas Mk1 to be delivered by 2020
     
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    i read somewhere that govt want 120 tejas within 2020. asap
     
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    Now IAF will be forced to place more orders on LCA Mk1 & Mk2 , this whole theory comparing it to LIFT , Pilatus etc all crap will get kicked of back now

    Since Defence minister has made it clear LCA will replace Mig-21 series not Rafale
     
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    Anishji, the one who received the biggest kick in the butt is Dassault, which lost out on the mother of all deals.

    meanwhile all those import lobbyists who are crowing that HAL doest have the tech to will shut their mouth once Tejas mk2 and FGFa starts rolling out of HAL lines.

    ISRO has already given the order to make cryogenic engines for their GSLV to HAL.

    SO the real reason why modi scrapped MMRCA tender was the huge scam built into it by the previousIAF_ UPA regime which failed to shortlist,seal the TOT , price negotiations for the MMCA winner before Financial bids were to expire in 2012.

    Now MMRCA backers are beating a slow retreat.

    MMRCA deal: Government may scrap $20 billion project for 126 Rafale fighter jets - The Economic Times

    matheswaran is one of the prime MMRCA backer and tejas killer. Govt hasn't bought time. It just threw the scandalous MMRCA contract out of the window and limit rafale buy to 36. because by 2020 I have no doubt that the Modi govt would bring FGFA on line. So there will be no rationale to induct rafale after that.

    Obviously it would have been more prudent course of action which was initially hinted at by DM himself. but may be keeping strategic relationship with france played a part in this 36 rafale deal. And modi govt restricts itself to negotiating with french govt not Dassault anymore.

    It proves their total lack of faith in MMRCA negotiations adapted by Dassault.

    What is most important is if Dassault plays truant GOI is now free to negotiate with any other maker to buy even this now contracted 36 fighters with Dassault.

    GOI saw through the all sham arguments put forward by dassault and just cut it off from negotiations is something true, that cannot be denied by anyone.

    SO instead of mother of all deals now Dassault has the lolipop of all times in its hands in the form of 36 rafale order and GOI frees itself to induct what it feels right in IAF.
     
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    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    yup

    Parrikar said it in the interview print version
     
  15. Paliwal Warrior

    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Also as reagrds to HAL

    Parrikar has firmly done a favour to HAL and put the IAF Dasault in the dock by keeping HAL out of maintainance

    see

    if HAL had the Maintainnace & IAF & dasault decided to play tricks by spares etc then the fleet availability of Rafale would take a hit and HAL will be blamed by both IAF and dasault

    IAF would cry that fleet is not upto the required availability level
    Dasalut would say the Rafales are perefect in French Airforce so problem is with HAL

    Now By keeping HAL and forcing the Long term MRO on Dasault

    Parriker has ensured that

    1. HAL is not blamed for any tricks Played by IAF & Dasault

    2. Any issues in fleet availability will be squarely blamed on IAF & Dasault and may even include financial penalty clause

    He has taken them up on thier tall claims of disponibility, Low maintainance claims & thier argument that we can gurantee only if it is under our control

    so now Parriker has said fine you will have total control of maintainance - now go ahead and prove it

    He has actualy done a HUGE HUGE HUGE favour to HAL by keepiing them out of MRO of 36 Rafales
     
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