Dismiss Notice
Welcome to IDF- Indian Defence Forum , register for free to join this friendly community of defence enthusiastic from around the world. Make your opinion heard and appreciated.

China Is Developing a New Super Tank to Take on India in a War

Discussion in 'China & Asia Pacific' started by sangos, Sep 17, 2017.

  1. sangos

    sangos Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2013
    Messages:
    5,129
    Likes Received:
    2,729
    Country Flag:
    India
    [​IMG]


    In June 2017, the Chinese periodical Guancha reported that the Xinqingtan(literally “New Light Tank”), a mountain-going tank formerly known by the equally generic appellation ZTQ-105, had entered trials in Tibetan Plateau. The newspaper characterized these as “a show of force designed to deter the Indian military,” while a military spokesman stated on June 29 they were “aimed to test the tank’s performance and are not targeted at any country.”

    As defense writer Robert Beckhusen recently observed, new spending in New Delhi to develop an Indian light tank is surely aimed at countering the Xinqingtan. India and China, of course, have been escalating the militarization of their Himalayan border for well over a decade. India is still bitter over China’s close relationship with Pakistan and its defeat by attacking Chinese forces in a border war in 1962, while Beijing still fumes over Indian asylum granted to the Dalai Lama. Troops from the regional powers recently engaged in a tense two-month standoff over Chinese construction through a mountain pass claimed by the country of Bhutan.

    India’s Himalayan Tank-scapade

    Light tanks began to fall out of favor way back in World War II. Romantic notions about light cavalry using their speed to race ahead and outmaneuver foes were dashed when vehicle like the Panzer II or M3 Stuart lost out time and time again when confronted with heavier tanks and fortified strong points due to a lack of firepower.



    But light tanks aren’t really meant to win tank battles or fortified sieges. You win by bringing a light tank to a gunfight—somewhere the enemy isn’t prepared to fight tanks at all. In fact, this was a concept the Indian Army had already demonstrated in the Himalayas in 1948 during the first Indo-Pakistani war.

    Indian troops were seeking to take back the city of Kargil from Pakistani forces, but first had to seize Zoji La pass—popularly known as the “the Path of Blizzards”—by traversing freezing terrain devoid of cover overlooked by entrenched Pakistani infantry. To make it happen, Indian General Thimayya had Indian sappers haul dismantled M5 Stuart light tanks of the 7th Cavalry from the regional capital of Srinagar to a staging area 11,500 feet above sea level, using a mule track and several fragile bridges with limited maximum weight tolerances. The turretless tank hulls at times had to be literally pushed by foot soldiers up steep inclines.

    The under-gunned Stuart had not exactly distinguished itself in World War II. But when dozens of the re-assembled tanks stormed the pass on November 1 as part of a combined arms assault backed by infantry and artillery, the Pakistani troops were shocked to face any armor in such a remote location, and officers were recorded on radio voicing their disbelief at the panicky reports issuing from the frontline. By November 24, the little Stuart tanks had rolled into Kargil.

    China’s Alpine Armor

    The People’s Liberation Army had been secretive about the new tank, with early photos emerging in 2011 always featuring the turret swathed in camouflage netting. Later in October 2016, the manufacturer Norinco unveiled an export variant designated the VT-5, from which much of the information on the Xingqingtan has been gleaned—note, however, that it is unclear what distinguishes the VT-5 from the domestic model. Now, Chinese state television is airing footage of the Xinqingtan tanks on maneuvers on the Tibetan plateau.

    The Xinqingtan weighs between 33 to 36 tons depending on the armor configuration, whereas contemporary Western or Russian main battle tanks typically tip the scales ranging from 50 to 70 tons. The design apparently is a downsized VT-4 export tank, which traces its lineage back to the Russian T-72. The lighter vehicle can be air dropped by parachute, though it is not amphibious.

    The new design’s hull is made of welded steel—nothing special, though at least it’s not flammable lightweight aluminum—and it can fit modular add-on armor, including composite or Explosive Reactive Armor types, either of which might improve survivability versus missiles or rocket propelled grenades. However, at this weight class the Xinqingtan is unlikely to withstand a hit from a modern tank main gun, though it could prove resistant to the automatic cannons widely employed on infantry fighting vehicles.

    The Xinqingtan boasts a rear-mounted 1,000 horsepower turbocharged diesel engine giving it an excellent power-to-weight ratio. This enables it to climb on steep inclines and operate at higher altitudes, where the thinner air simply starves out the engines of heavier vehicles. Furthermore, the new light tank uses expensive hydropneumatics suspension which affords a smoother ride and can adjust the ground clearance of the vehicle as necessary, an ideal feature for overcoming craggy or boggy terrain.

    The light tank’s primary weapon is a full-stabilized 105-millimeter rifled gun with thirty-eight rounds of ammunitions. It can fire tungsten sabot rounds capable of penetrating an equivalent of 500 millimeter of rolled hardened steel. This is far from adequate for penetrating the frontal armor of contemporary main battle tanks, but possibly enough to defeat older T-72 models. Effective range is only listed as three kilometers, though the gun can also fire anti-tank and helicopter missiles with tandem-charge warheads at targets up to five kilometers away.
    The gun barrel reportedly can elevate to very high angles. This could prove useful, as historically, limited gun elevation has often bedeviled tankers in mountainous regions, who have even resorted to improvised ramps to shoot at higher angles. Thanks to an autoloader which ejects spent shells out the rear, the Xinqingtan requires only a crew of three: a gunner, driver and commander.

    The vehicle boasts a purportedly sophisticated sensors and fire control system, including thermal sights for both the commander and gunner, a targeting computer linked to a wind sensor and “hunter killer” engagement mode that automatically adjusts the aim to paint enemy vehicles. Other gear includes a laser rangefinder, a GPS navigation system and battle management software allowing to network effectively with friendly vehicles. These are typical design features in modern tanks, but not cheap to include on a disposable vehicle.



    In terms of secondary weapons, there is also a remotely controlled 12.7 millimeter machine and a 35mm automatic grenade launcher on top of the turret, plus a co-axial 7.62mm gun inside the turret. This adds up to quite a bit of anti-personnel firepower.

    The Xinqingtan is reportedly deployed as part of a PLA integrated brigade in Tibet, which would imply a minimum of one tank battalion of thirty-one to thirty-three tanks, though there could be several battalions. An initial order of 300 tanks is suggested by available sources, a number which implies implies the tanks would occupy a specialized role in the Himalayas or for air-deployment operations, rather than generalized role throughout the PLA. The new vehicles will replace the recently retired Type 62, a design which suffered 50 percent casualties when PLA armor invaded northern Vietnam in a punitive war in 1979.

    Guancha characterized the Xinqingtan as “far more advanced” than the Indian T-90S tanks across the border. While it is possible the lighter Chinese vehicle might have more advanced fire control systems, allowing it to hit more accurately at range, the T-90 still far outclasses it in terms of hitting power and armor protection. However, the real danger to the Indian military may be that the Xinqingtan could operate in remote mountain passes and traverse especially rough roads that the T-72s and T-90s simply could not reach at all.

    Light tanks have always traded survivability for mobility and access—and sometimes simply getting to remote battlefields where they are most needed and least expected is enough to secure victory, as demonstrated in the history of theSoviet PT-76 amphibious tank and airborne BMD fighting vehicle, and even the U.S. Army’s much criticized M551 Sheridan. While the Sheridan has been retired without a replacement in U.S. service, China and now India still see a useful role for light armor in their ongoing confrontation in the Himalayas.

    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/china-developing-new-super-tank-take-india-war-22327

     
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2017
    Angel Eyes likes this.
  2. Angel Eyes

    Angel Eyes 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2017
    Messages:
    165
    Likes Received:
    152
    Country Flag:
    India
    Half baked , useless article by illinformed author.This author is overhyping Chinese light tank.
     
    Wolfpack, omya and sangos like this.
  3. RMFAN

    RMFAN Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2017
    Messages:
    445
    Likes Received:
    89
    Country Flag:
    South Africa
    Chinese VT-5 light tank(export version):

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]


    Chinese VT-4 MBT (export version)

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    Chinese VT-4 MBT (export version) is enough to beat the Indian tanks on Himalayas mountain areas.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 19, 2017
    Hawk Wang likes this.
  4. Angel Eyes

    Angel Eyes 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2017
    Messages:
    165
    Likes Received:
    152
    Country Flag:
    India
    lolzz....its shells will bounce off like stones after hitting T 72 CIAs ...
     
  5. GuardianRED

    GuardianRED Captain FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2016
    Messages:
    1,048
    Likes Received:
    1,601
    Country Flag:
    India
    :laugh::rofl: yes the mountain area has become a flat plains :sarcastic::sarcastic:
     
    Angel Eyes likes this.
  6. Paliwal Warrior

    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2013
    Messages:
    6,186
    Likes Received:
    903
    If the current Chinese products were superior why do you need new tanks?????????
     
  7. Vyom

    Vyom Captain GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2013
    Messages:
    1,932
    Likes Received:
    1,858
    With weight of 52 tonnes, VT-4 is not a "light tank" Heck its not even an MBT.
     
  8. RMFAN

    RMFAN Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2017
    Messages:
    445
    Likes Received:
    89
    Country Flag:
    South Africa

    It is the Chinese VT-5 light tank(export version) not the VT-4 MBT.


    Chinese latest MBT type-99A2



    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    The Type 99A2 uses an improved ZPT98 series 125mm smoothbore main gun. It is a calibre Length 50 and capable of firing a range of rounds including a new APFSDS with a reported muzzle velocity of 1780 m/s.

    The 1A45T Fire Control System is an improved version of those used in earlier Type 99. It has the latest generation of Thermal Sights, new ballistic computer and DVE-BS cross wind sensors. The Type 99A2 has a Commanders Independent Sight giving it a full hunter killer capability often reffered to as a 3rd generation Main Battle Tank.

    China is a licenced manufacturer of the 9M119M Refleks Anti-Tank Guided Missile. The Type 99A2 is capable of firing the Refleks through its main gun to a range of 5.5km and is guided via an integrated fire control unit in the main Fire Control System.

    Secondary weapons are a 7.62mm coaxial Machine Gun and a 12.7mm Machine Gun mounted on the Commanders cupola.

    The main gun is fed by an autoloader similar in design to that of other Type 99 and is cable of storing 22 rounds of ammunition with additional rounds stored in the turret in an unspecified location.

    China has been developing a 140mm Main Gun for the Type 99A2, hence its higher turret roof and large gun mantle. It’s not fully clear the status of the project other than there have been complications with cracking in the main gun system.

    Type 99A2 Protection
    Type 99A2 Turret Armor

    " data-medium-file="https://i1.wp.com/tanknutdave.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Type-99A2-Workbook-Turret-Armor.jpg?fit=300%2C144" data-large-file="https://i1.wp.com/tanknutdave.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Type-99A2-Workbook-Turret-Armor.jpg?fit=1024%2C491" class="wp-image-7892" src="https://i1.wp.com/tanknutdave.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Type-99A2-Workbook-Turret-Armor.jpg?resize=600%2C288" alt="Type 99A2 Turret Armor" srcset="https://i1.wp.com/tanknutdave.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Type-99A2-Workbook-Turret-Armor.jpg?resize=1024%2C491 1024w, https://i1.wp.com/tanknutdave.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Type-99A2-Workbook-Turret-Armor.jpg?resize=300%2C144 300w, https://i1.wp.com/tanknutdave.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Type-99A2-Workbook-Turret-Armor.jpg?resize=768%2C368 768w, https://i1.wp.com/tanknutdave.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Type-99A2-Workbook-Turret-Armor.jpg?resize=24%2C12 24w, https://i1.wp.com/tanknutdave.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Type-99A2-Workbook-Turret-Armor.jpg?resize=36%2C17 36w, https://i1.wp.com/tanknutdave.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Type-99A2-Workbook-Turret-Armor.jpg?resize=48%2C23 48w" sizes="(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px" width="600" height="288" style="-x-ignore: 1">

    Type 99A2 Turret Armor
    Featuring an improved composite armor over the front of the hull and turret, the Type 99A2 has a new shaped modular front on its turret. The vehicle is fitted with a new Explosive Reactive Armour that is believed to be capable of defeating tandem charged (x2 warheads in the missile) Anti-Tank weapons.

    The new ERA is mounted along the sides of the turret and continues along the side of the stowage racks for increased protection. The ERA is also mounted across the front of the hull.

    Type 99A2 Turret Overview

    " data-medium-file="https://i1.wp.com/tanknutdave.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Type-99A2-Workbook-Turret-Overview.jpg?fit=300%2C129" data-large-file="https://i1.wp.com/tanknutdave.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Type-99A2-Workbook-Turret-Overview.jpg?fit=1024%2C441" class="wp-image-7895" src="https://i1.wp.com/tanknutdave.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Type-99A2-Workbook-Turret-Overview.jpg?resize=600%2C258" alt="Type 99A2 Turret Overview" srcset="https://i1.wp.com/tanknutdave.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Type-99A2-Workbook-Turret-Overview.jpg?resize=1024%2C441 1024w, https://i1.wp.com/tanknutdave.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Type-99A2-Workbook-Turret-Overview.jpg?resize=300%2C129 300w, https://i1.wp.com/tanknutdave.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Type-99A2-Workbook-Turret-Overview.jpg?resize=768%2C331 768w, https://i1.wp.com/tanknutdave.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Type-99A2-Workbook-Turret-Overview.jpg?resize=24%2C10 24w, https://i1.wp.com/tanknutdave.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Type-99A2-Workbook-Turret-Overview.jpg?resize=36%2C15 36w, https://i1.wp.com/tanknutdave.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Type-99A2-Workbook-Turret-Overview.jpg?resize=48%2C21 48w" sizes="(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px" width="600" height="259" style="-x-ignore: 1">

    Type 99A2 Turret Overview
    The vehicle is equipped with smoke grenade launchers, NBC system and fire suppression system in the fighting compartments.

    There has been much speculation on the type of new Active Protection System the Type 99A2 would be installed.

    The new system does not have any visual “hard-kill” launchers. Mounted on the roof is a traversable laser detection and jamming device, which is believed to have a ZM87 capability (the ability to blind an enemy gunner). It has the ability to be elevated to a high angle to jam anti-tank helicopters.

    Type 99A2 Mobility




    The vehicle has been fitted with a new transmission and 1500hp engine. It’s not 100% clear if this new engine is based on licenced production (China builds a lot of components under licence for commercial and military adaption) or if it’s a new indigenous engine. The vehicle has increased cross-country capabilities compared to earlier Type 99 models and China considers the overall mobility on par with Western and Russian tanks.

    Type 99A2 Technology
    Chinese officials refer to the tank as their “first information technology tank” thanks to new on board software that monitors all systems and reports any issues or problems they are having. The crew have new digital quality displays.

    It has the latest communications equipment and a battlefield management system that allows for real time tracking of friendly vehicles and those of the enemy.

    Type 99A2 Status
    [​IMG]
    Type 99A2 Comparison with Type 99G
    In production and in service with the PLA (numbers unknown. It was used in the SCO “Peace Mission -2014” which was a multinational joint military exercise.

    Type 99A2 Designations
    The tank has different designations in China from those used outside of China. Rather than “Type” China says “ZTZ 99”. Whilst outside of China called It the “Type 99A2” in China its referred to as the “ZTZ 99A” or sometimes ZTZ 99A2.

    Type 99A2 Specifications
    • Combat weight: 58 tons
    • Unit pressure: 0.9 kg / cm
    • Length (gun forward): 10.0 m
    • Hull length: 6.9 m
    • Width (without side skirts / side skirts plus): 3.3 m /3.7 m
    • Hight (to turret top): 2.35 m
    • Ground height: 0.5 m
    • Track ground length: 4.3 m
    • Track centre distance: 2.6 m
    • Maximum road speed: 80 km / h
    • Cross Country Maximum speed: 60 km / h
    • Operational range (no additional fuel tanks): 600km (with an additional fuel tank): 800 km and 0-32 km / h acceleration time: 5.5 seconds
    •Fuel Capacity: 1245 litres
    • Wading depth: 1.0 m (unprepared), 2.0 m (prepared), 4.5 m (latent cross deep)
    • Climbing degree: 60 degrees
    • Side graduate: 30 degrees vertical climbing wall
    • Vertical climb: 1.3 m
    • Trench Crossing width: 3.0 m
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 19, 2017
    Hawk Wang likes this.
  9. Anish

    Anish BANNED BANNED

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2011
    Messages:
    5,959
    Likes Received:
    1,793
    Country Flag:
    India
    You need to build the road to reach the Himalayas first
     
  10. sangos

    sangos Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2013
    Messages:
    5,129
    Likes Received:
    2,729
    Country Flag:
    India

    No worries these Ukrainian knockoffs from NORINCO wont drive for 30 mins in Tibet forget Himalayas. Looks like this tank salesman never had this problem yet.

    [​IMG]
     
    Wolfpack and Angel Eyes like this.
  11. RMFAN

    RMFAN Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2017
    Messages:
    445
    Likes Received:
    89
    Country Flag:
    South Africa

    The Indian T-90s had been knoked out by the Chinese type 96B MBT in the semi-final of the International Tank competition in Russia 2017.

    Even the Russians felt shame about it.
     
  12. GuardianRED

    GuardianRED Captain FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2016
    Messages:
    1,048
    Likes Received:
    1,601
    Country Flag:
    India
    Wow , what wondering when that will be mentioned . ONLY you can take a completion that is VS each other to Attacking each other - damn you are funny!!!:haha:

    U do know that the T72 of the Russia ( which IA also has) using your own words KNOCKED (correct spelling) the Type 96B yes or no? :dude::coffee:
     
    Angel Eyes likes this.
  13. sangos

    sangos Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2013
    Messages:
    5,129
    Likes Received:
    2,729
    Country Flag:
    India
    Chinese type 96B MBT with wheels flying out is a serious point of failure in combat. Indian T 90s had fan belt oil leakage problems. Russian children know the real test of tanks happen on the battlefield not a race track. Now who is shamed.
     
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2017
    Angel Eyes likes this.
  14. Vyom

    Vyom Captain GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2013
    Messages:
    1,932
    Likes Received:
    1,858
    Our upgraded T 72 has more protection and more bang for the buck...
     
  15. RMFAN

    RMFAN Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2017
    Messages:
    445
    Likes Received:
    89
    Country Flag:
    South Africa
    The Chinese use type 96B MBT to join the competition in Russia, not the best MBT type 99A2. And the Indias used the best MBT T-90s which you can have to compete and failed.
     
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2017

Share This Page