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China says no to Moscow, Beijing, Delhi trilateral defence ties

Discussion in 'China & Asia Pacific' started by layman, Apr 11, 2017.

  1. cuibw99

    cuibw99 FULL MEMBER

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    This is correct.
     
  2. YarS

    YarS Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    When China will developer such kind of technogies, Russians will finish terraformig Mars and consolidation of Asteroid belt.
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    Yes, I can. And you can not read Russian articles about new technologies. That's why we are not in equal conditions.
     
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    Both China and Russia will face huge problem in near future because of decreasing and aging population and will have to take immigrants.Russia is already taking millions from former Soviet states
     
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    Well, where is the Russian supercomputer ranking? not even in the top 20. Chinese supercomputer ranks No.1 and 2 in world. And the No,1 ranking Tiaihu light , used Chinese designed and manufactured CPU.

    when can the Russia make any industrial robots and compete in the international market?

    China will launch the space station Tiangong in 2020, where is the Russian space station ? No budget to develop?

    When can the Russian company produce any 3G/4G/5G mobile network equipment competing in the world market? Chinese Huawei is the top telecom equipment supplier in the world.

    China has too many aspects in technologies surpassing Russia. Only in few technologies such as turbo fan engine, heavy duty rocket, nuclear submarine, China is behind Russia a few years. But with huge R&D funding and development, China will surpass the Russia in 10 years more or less.

    The su35 bought by the Chinese airforce can be used in military exercises with Chinese J20, so that J20 can be improved and upgraded in the near future. This is last lot jet fighters can bought by the Chinese.

    By the way, the current Russian military budget is only 30% of the Chinese budget. In five years time, Chinese military budget can reach 80% of USA. As for R&D funding, the Russia may be only 10% of the Chinese.

    Besides the second class weapons, Russia has only natural resource to sell in the world market.
     
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  5. YarS

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    J20 is a licensed copy of MiG 1.44
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    There is a difference - we can copy your technologies quickly and for free, and you can copy our technologies slowly and for a big money. So, you will be lagging until you become Russian.
     
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    If your intelligence can only reach such conclusion, there is no hope for the Russia in the future. That's the Russian mentality.

    2016 China GDP Nominal (billions of $) 11,391.619 --No.2 in the world
    2016 Russia GDP Nominal (billions of $) 1,267.754--No. 12 in the world

    2016 China GDP PPP (billions of Int. $) 21,269.017--No.1 in the world
    2016 Russia GDP PPP (billions of Int. $)3,745.084-- No. 6 in the world


    http://statisticstimes.com/economy/countries-by-projected-gdp.php

    The above GDP figure shows the big gap between China and Russia.

    By the way, J20 already in service, how about your Sukhoi T-50?
     
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  7. cuibw99

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    If J20 were really the licensed copy of Mig1.44, then J20 should look exactly same with Mig1.44, like the one China copied from Su-27 even I heard that J-11 was unlicensed copy though. I don't have the channel to get enough detailed information for how J-20 was designed, but at least I am not convinced that it is the licensed copy of Mig1.44. It is possible that China gained help from Russia experts.

    I think it is probably not that easy. The gas turbine engine GT25000 China copied from Ukraine's UGT25000, I think the similar engine is highly required and extremely insufficient in Russia. If copying is really such easy, it should not be a blocker for such a long time.
     
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    cuibw99 FULL MEMBER

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    This is really really out of my imagination. Based on my IQ, I really don't know how this can be achieved.
     
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    Chinese strategy to Russia is simple:

    1. Cooperate with the current ruling superpower USA and western countries to weaken Russian economy and encourage continuous sanctions against Russia by the USA and its allies, make sure Russia has less funding to their military spending and no chance to buy any hight-tech components used for military weapon manufacturing.

    2. Catch the chance to squeeze any needed technologies which China can get from Russia while it is under sanctions by the western world for long time. For example, buying the su35 jet fighters used for sparring partner for J20 so that J20 can be improved and upgraded in near future and the Chinese air force pilots on J20 can be trained to fight against su35 in the future.
     
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  10. YarS

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    It is not Chinese strategy, bro. Stratagemma N3 - "To kill with others knife" don't work if your enemy and "knife's owner" are more informed that you.

    Russians know Americans and Americans know Russians much better that Chines know both of us. Current conflict is not inspired by China.

    Sun Tzu said:
    "In Old Times, commander who won't to win, first made himself invincible".
    Russia is already invincible for China and USA, and China is very vulnerable both for Russia and USA. It is a result of geographical position and density of population.
    It is discutable question - Can we win war with USA without any allies, but there are no doubts that we can't lost war with them.
     
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    Russia and China settle longstanding territorial disputes
    By John Chan
    14 August 2008

    Russia and China signed a landmark deal on July 21, officially ending all outstanding territorial disputes between the two countries. Under the agreement, Russia will hand over Yinlong Island (known as Tarabarov in Russia) and half of the Heixiazi Island (Bolshoi Ussuriysky) at the confluence the of Amur and Ussuri rivers, clearing the way for closer strategic and economic relations with China.

    The deal flowed from an initial agreement signed in 2004 by former Russian President Vladimir Putin that proposed a 50-50 division of the disputed islands. While Russia returns Yinlong and half of Heixiazi, totalling 174 square kilometres, China has given up its claim to the other half of Heixiazi.
     
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    The Lockean 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Not likely. Not by a long shot.
     
  13. The Lockean

    The Lockean 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    That is naive. The history of Chinese adherence to treaties and their concept of treaties, is an example.

    Also, what Russian Empire did to China over the span of two centuries, is being replicated by China today.
     
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    The Lockean 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    In arena of fiction writing ... !! Please don't short circuit your neurons over this flight of imagination of both members.
     
  15. InfoWarrior

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    How does China care so much for Pakistan ? Maybe China sees Pakistan as a tool to obtain cheap crude from gulf region. Anyway this gulf oil will not last long...

    Also Xinjiang is muslim majority, region of china with separatist elements. Now Pakistan can't help the people of Xinjiang...

    India should align with Kazaksthan, Kazakstan will host OIC
    http://www.azernews.az/region/95172.html

    Let Kazaksthan raise the issue of Xinjiang in China, If Pakistan wants to use OIC for Kashmir. Let's use OIC for Xinjiang. We should send RAW agents to influence them.
     
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