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China says no to Moscow, Beijing, Delhi trilateral defence ties

Discussion in 'China & Asia Pacific' started by layman, Apr 11, 2017.

  1. YarS

    YarS Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Kazakhstan have a very good business with China, I very doubt that they will make such dirty things to China.
     
  2. The Lockean

    The Lockean 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    We had reporting on similar lines:

    IDN TAKE CHINESE J-20 IS THE CANCELLED SOVIET MIG 1.44/1.42 STEALTH FIGHTER
    TUESDAY, AUGUST 11, 2015 BY INDIANDEFENSE NEWS


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    The remarkable design resemblance between the two fighters is just not any coincidence - The J-20 is heavily based on the Mikoyan design bureau’s cancelled ‘Project 1.44’ to develop a fifth-generation fighter for the Russian Air Force


    Mikoyan Project 1.44/1.42 Flatpack

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    The Mikoyan Project 1.44/1.42 Flatpack was a technology demonstrator developed by the Mikoyan design bureau. It was the Soviet Union’s answer to the U.S.’s Advanced Tactical Fighter (ATF), incorporating many fifth-generation jet fighter aspects such as Advanced Avionics, Stealth Technology, Supermaneuverability, and Supercruise. The design’s development was a protracted one, characterized by repeated and lengthy postponements due to a chronic lack of funds; the MiG 1.44 made its maiden flight in February 2000, nine years behind schedule. The Mikoyan 1.44 was eventually cancelled in 2000.

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    Chengdu J-20

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    The Chengdu J-20 is a Stealth, twin-engine fifth-generation fighter aircraft prototype being developed by Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group for the Chinese People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF). The J-20 made its first flight on 11 January 2011, and is expected to be operational in 2018. China's J-20 platform has the potential to be a capable, long-range strike system in the Asia-Pacific region, but a number of technical challenges will need to be overcome before production can begin.

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    Origins of the J-20 came from the J-XX program which was started in the late 1990s. A proposal from Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group, designated "Project 718", had won the PLAAF endorsement following a 2008 competition against a Shenyang proposal that was reportedly even larger than the J-20.
    Flight Testing
    On 22 December 2010, the first J-20 prototype underwent high speed taxiing tests outside the Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute. On 11 January 2011, the J-20 made its first flight, lasting about 15 minutes, with a Chengdu J-10S serving as the chase aircraft.

    Conclusion
    The J-20 is heavily based on the Mikoyan design bureau’s cancelled ‘Project 1.44’ project to develop a fifth-generation fighter for the Russian Air Force. The layout is virtually identical, with the main differences being the position of the intakes and the larger fuselage on the J-20.
    To give due credit to the "MASTERS OF CLONING", the J-31 is the spitting image of the Lockheed F-35 Lightning II – America's latest and greatest technological creation. However, the new project, being referred to as the Shenyang J-31, paints a much more disturbing picture than the J-20. The J-20’s heritage could be traced back to an abandoned Soviet project that was deemed irrelevant before it even got off the ground.

    Why is this similarity to the F-35 worrisome? Because as recently as 2010, Lockheed Martin publicly admitted that six to eight of its subcontractors had been “totally compromised” by cyber-intrusions. Later it emerged that BAE Systems, Britain’s largest defence contractor and a key partner in the F-35 programme was among the breached firms. The proof, however, is in the pudding – the J-31 resembles the F-35 in everything but the engine configuration. The intakes are identical, as is the nose, wings and control surfaces. Note that despite choosing to use all-moving vertical stabilisers on the J-20, the J-31 features rudders like the F-22 and F-35.

    The J-20 or the J-31 will take years before it enters operational service, and even when they do, they are not expected to match Western sophistication in propulsion, sensors, avionics, and pilot interface. What is inescapable, however, is that basic airframe design and construction of fifth-generation aircraft is no longer an area where the West retains mastery. Whether China acquired this expertise honestly or not is moot. The fact is that they have put two prototypes into testing in one-fifth the time it took either Russia or the United States, and are catching up everywhere else.

    http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2015/08/idn-take-chinese-j-20-is-cancelled.html

    an old source
     
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  3. YarS

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    Thank you, @The Lockean . As my friends say - MiG 1.44 with all technologies and supporting of MiG company in development and localisation was suggested both to India and China. India was not very interested.
     
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  4. YarS

    YarS Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    And yes, if we discuss about Sci-Fi, how many good modern Chines Sci-Fi writers you can remember? Exept 劉慈欣 (Liǔ Cǐxín) and his 三体 (three-bodies problem), of course.
     
  5. SrNair

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    Still ,Russians didnt face a situation that they have to buy most modern wepaons from China.
    But China is still buying S400,Su 35etc from Russians .
     
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    Probably only 刘慈欣,at least from my perspective.
     
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    If 20 years before, China had to buy weapons from Russia without any other option. In recent 20 years, for the weapons Russia allows to sell to China, they have been gradually changing from "have to buy" to "nice to buy". Certainly S400 is better than HQ-9 and Su-35 is better than J-11 series, so if the price is decent, buying some of them is very good option for China. But if China is not able to get S-400 and Su-35 from Russia, that also doesn't block anything for now.

    For some other Russia weapons and technologies, E.g. nuclear submarine, they would be still the "have to buy" weapons for China if Russia allowed China to buy. But in reality this is not gonna happen.
     
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    By the way, I don't read sci-fi fiction. I only like to watch Hollywood's sci-fi movies and TV series .
     
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    India and china's geo political interest will never meet on world affairs except on issues which affect both
     
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    And USA is snake nest, that affect everybody.
     
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    lol true
     
  12. YarS

    YarS Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Sure. China's industry is our reserves. We are sure, that in case of Russia-USA war, China will be our ally, and will sell weapon only for us. So, it is prudent - to make really good source of weapon, equipment and vechicles for the war.
     
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    "Books are always better". But, of course, it is your choice. May be, you will be interested in some Russian Sci-Fi movies (with English subtitles), for example - Inhabitated Island.

    http://indiandefence.com/threads/russian-movies-with-english-subtitles.58732/
     
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    After CCP taking power in mainland China in 1949, Communist China has been isolated by the western countries, and in 1960's , former Soviet Union also isolated China for the political reasons. Therefore, until 1980's China was totally isolated from the developed world and the latest development of science and technology.

    Certainly, there are many reasons causing such problems. The first generation of CCP leadership with the absurd communist mentality had no idea how to develop economy in a proper way but to organize different kinds of political movements wave after wave to brainwash the Chinese people and destroy the Chinese traditional culture and values as well as damage the educational system and R&D in science and technology. By the meantime, as the threads from the USA and former Soviet Union, the CCP leadership also used many scientists educated in western countries before 1949 to develop nuclear weapon, long range missiles , nuclear submarine, satellite and etc., while the Chinese people living in the deep water and hot fire.

    By 1980's, The second generation of CCP leadership ,Deng Xiaoping realized the communist economic policies did not work in China and caused the Chinese economy into collapse. In order to maintain the CCP ruling in China and save the economy, Deng Xiaoping adopted the "Open and Reform " policy and Chinese style of marketing system in mainland China. At that time,as for China, there was no advantage but only the huge amount of hardworking Chinese labor to compete in the world market. Therefore, introducing foreign investment to employ the local Chinese to work and manufacture all kinds of goods for export is the only way to make the Chinese economy working. In this way of becoming the world factory, Communist China accumulated financial revenue to upgrade the infrastructure, educational system, R&D facilities, as well as improve the income and living standard of Chinese people. Meanwhile, in order to enjoy a stable environment to develop, the CCP government had to avoid any confrontation with the western world for free trading and doing business. Also , the freedom and human rights of Chinese people suppressed , mass pollution and systemic corruption spread, social moral standard deteriorated, this is the major price for China in last 30 years.

    Now, it is the time to end the CCP dictatorship ruling in China. Chinese economic transformation needs a fair and free social environment to encourage Chinese people to pursue their dreams and CCP dictatorship ruling becomes the major obstacle for it.

    A new type Chinese democracy model should be developed and China can move forward.
     
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  15. cuibw99

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    Actually I don't think US and Russia is possible to go into a direct war in the future. Competition will be existed for a long time but not a war. If there really has a severe competition which need to be resolved via a war, that would be the war between third parties which represent the interest of US and Russia, like the civil war in Syria right now.
     

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