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China to co-produce ballistic missiles, aircraft with Pakistan after slamming India's weapons progra

Discussion in 'China & Asia Pacific' started by PARIKRAMA, Mar 17, 2017.

  1. PARIKRAMA

    PARIKRAMA Angel or Devil? Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    China to co-produce ballistic missiles, aircraft with Pakistan after slamming India's weapons programme
    This comes barely months after Beijing blasted India's development of ballistic missiles and slammed the fourth test of Agni V as a violation of UN Security Council resolutions.

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    China and Pakistan have discussed co-producing ballistic missiles and advanced military aircraft as the new Pakistani Army Chief made his first visit to China, State media reported on Friday.

    This comes barely months after Beijing blasted India's development of ballistic missiles and slammed the fourth test of Agni V as a violation of UN Security Council resolutions.

    China had provided "authorisation to Pakistan to produce ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, anti-aircraft missiles, anti-ship missiles and main battle tanks in Pakistan", the Global Times, a tabloid published by the official People's Daily, reported, citing Song Zhongping, a former officer of the PLA Second Artillery Corps (now renamed the PLA Rocket Force). He said other weapons exchanges would be discussed besides missiles, including the "mass production of FC-1 Xiaolong, a lightweight and multi-role combat aircraft developed jointly by the two countries".

    CHINA'S FOREIGN MINISTRY UNAWARE?

    China's Foreign Ministry said it was not aware of any missile cooperation agreement, which was also not mentioned in the Defence Ministry's official statement of the meetings. Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said: "The Chinese military released information on meetings between the Pakistan Chief of Army Staff with his [Chinese] counterpart. From the news release we didn't see anything on an agreement on ballistic missiles. What I can tell you is China and Pakistan maintain normal defence exchanges and relevant cooperation."

    The report, however, is likely to raise eyebrows, as after India's Agni V test in December Beijing then referenced the 1998 UN Security Council Resolution 1172, a non-binding resolution that called on India and Pakistan, after their nuclear tests, to also cease tests of ballistic missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads.

    The Foreign Ministry said then that the "UN Security Council has explicit regulations on whether India can develop ballistic missiles capable of carrying nuclear weapons. China always maintains that preserving the strategic balance and stability in South Asia is conducive to peace and prosperity of regional countries and beyond."

    Asked if China believed that this applied to Pakistan's missile programme as well, Hua said, "Generally speaking, all UN members have obligations and responsibility to observe UN resolutions. Our position on the strategic balance in South Asia is consistent."

    PAK ARMY CHIEF MET TOP PLA OFFICIALS

    On Thursday, Pakistan Army Chief Qamar Javed Bajwa met top PLA officials including Vice Chairman of the Central Military Commission General Fan Changlong, General Fang Fenghui, chief of the Joint Staff Department, and Army Commander General Li Zuocheng.

    Unusually for a military chief, he also met Politburo Standing Committee member Zhang Gaoli, the seventh-ranked leader. Sources said this underlined the political support to push the China Pakistan Economic Corridor, which China has billed as a flagship project of Xi Jinping's pet One Belt, One Road initiative.

    BOTH PARTIES DISCUSS ANTI-TERRORISM COOPERATION

    The Pakistani Army Chief pledged to protect Chinese personnel and projects in the CPEC. Shortly after taking over in November, Bajwa visited the special security division of 15,000 troops being raised by Pakistan to protect the CPEC and spoke of "hostile" forces against the project.

    On Thursday, both sides also discussed "anti-terrorism cooperation at the meeting, vowing to resolutely strike against terrorist forces including the East Turkestan Islamic Movement". "Pakistan's military is willing to deepen the cooperation with the Chinese army and fully support the Quadrilateral Cooperation and Coordination Mechanism in Counter Terrorism by Afghanistan-China-Pakistan-Tajikistan Armed Forces," Bajwa said.

    https://www.google.co.in/amp/m.indi...amming-indias-missile-programme/1/906070.html
     
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    PARIKRAMA Angel or Devil? Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    It's official confirmation of
    1. True origin of all pakistani arsenal
    2. In future more modern stuff will flow into Pakistan as well

    The question to ask.. if China can arm Pakistan, what stops India arming Vietnam, Philippines and all other nations?

    Why not Afghanistan and raise the temperature of the whole theater..?
     
  3. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    All I can say is...GOOD!

    China and Pakistan have picked the wrong Indian govt to to provoke, any Chinese move will be countered by the Indian side in one form or another. By their aggresion China and Pakistan are only fuelling a more powerful India.

    Keep it up chaps, India needs a few more Rafales, subs etc :D
     
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    Aqwoyk Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    The quest to continue the non proliferation record stops us ...............

    They produced 100+ fighters aircraft in one year and us ....... 12 MKIs ........ At this rate they can build One IAF every 7 years ............... this is our shortcoming to not have manufacturing capability like them in spite of being equally numerous .................. Now tell from where we can provide arms to Vietnam when we can't manufacture enough for ourselves ...........
     
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    OnePunchMan 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    also whats actually new in this they have been doing it all along???
    what does this threat even mean they have already given all the aforementioned weapons in the list had they said that they would gift ACs and nuclear subs and ASAT weaponry that would have meant something but this is so meh:dude:
     
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    bharathp Developers Guild Developers -IT and R&D

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    the problem with overcapacity is maintenance. and another major factor is - what happens to the factories and the production once everything thats needed is already produced?
     
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    Overcapacity is other thing but we have under capacity ................ can we not produce atleast 50aircraft per year if not 100+ in order to fulfill our needs After achieving required number we can modify facility for some other aircraft and 'everything needed is already manufactured' can't happen to a big nation like us .............. there can't be a saturation to our needs with moderate manufacture rate ..........
     
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    Interesting (however obvious and already well-known it may be) is that Pakistan requires the authorization of China to produce all that stuff in Pak.

    What's wrong is that China had authorized the production of Chinese-origin equipment of the types mentioned above decades ago. That's how Pakistan came to acquire all those stuff. In short there's nothing new here.

    Ballistic missiles - Abdali, Ghaznavi, Shaheen, etc. based on M9, M18 and various DongFeng series BMs
    Cruise missiles - Babur - based on CJ-10 (itself derived from Ukrainian Korshun-M) with Chinese engine & electronics to boot
    AA - Anza Mk.1/2/3 based on QW-2 Vanguard MANPADS (itself a copy of Soviet SA-7 Grail)
    ASh - Zarb - basically a renamed C-602/YJ-62
    Main battle tanks - Al-Khalid series - derived from MBT-2000, the Bangladeshi VT-1A is also a variant of MBT-2000. All versions have Ukrainian engines

    Other stuff "authorized for production" -

    UAVs - Burraq - Renamed CH-3
    Fighters - JF-17 - A "jointly developed" (except that all development was done by the time Pak joined) Chengdu FC-1 Xiaolong

    Basically everything in the Pakistani weapons roster that isn't of Western origin is of Chinese origin. Simple as that.

    China is playing a dangerous game and at this rate it won't be long before a version of Agni will show up with a Vietnamese name.
     
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    China is behaving like a disgruntled child.

    She thinks India and the world at large do not know that Chinese are producing (so called co-producing) every thing for Pakistan since many decades.

    BTW I blame previous government for being too much sensitive to Chinese sensitivities that they started having some kind entitlement.

    Chinese played their last Pakistani cards ages ago and now coming back with same Pakistani card , read blackmail, again and again. India has just started to open its cards with many more to come let alone last.
     
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    I believe China has already played it's best hand .And they've done so decades ago .What's the worse they can do after they've armed our most deadliest foe with the most potent weapon known to mankind ?

    But China has in its hubris opened up too many fronts.I guess it's only a matter of time before consistent N tests & other grave provocation by DPRK will goad Japan & later RoK to go nuclear .The US can't keep extending the N umbrella to their allies there indefinitely just as they can't keep footing the bill for such deployments for eternity .That & the need to let China know that 2 can play this game .

    As far as India is concerned , I think two things matter .The economy and the political will to do with Vietnam & possibly RoC what China has done with Pakistan .The political will seems to be there now.It will be some time before we get the economy rolling in much the same way China did before gathering the heft such economic clout brings.
     
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    It's called hedging .It's believed that China , apart from supplying the key ingredients , the N weapon design , blueprints & delivery systems to Pakistan also re processes the fuel.Pakistan till date has no such capacities .

    Hence the pre dominant view in the Indian establishment was to be deferential towards China lest they proliferate more advanced technologies ,without compromising on our core interests .

    Lets face it ,China had made full use of Pakistan's visceral hatred of India( & the rank opportunism of the PA to pursue it's own strategic agenda & commercial business activities while cocking a snook at the civil authirities ) to pursue it's own policies inimical to our interests .

    Basically it's about biding for time on our part & playing along without seriously compromising our interests .
     
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    Apart from that the world should see 2 more nuclear weapons powers Taiwan & Vietnam.

    Brahmos, Nirbhay, Agni 1&2 should be mass produced to bring down cost and should be provided to Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc. In kits to assemble them in their own country to avoid mtcr just as the lizard is doing by providing kits to Pakistan.
     
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    I believe there's an unwritten rule in the security establishment in India - no truck with Islamic terrorists & no strategic programs with Islamic nations however close our relationship .
     
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    Philippines?
    Cant trust them,not anymore.

    Vietnam is our trump card .If China is actually looking for supplying ballistic missiles to Pakistan.Then give tech of missiles up to Agni 2 to Vietnam.
    So they can target rich eastern parts of China quiet easily.

    India needs to watch this carefully.Any impulsive actions will ended us in US side, something we dont need now or never.
    Fact is Pakistan is not Vietnam .Vietnam is a responsible nations will full fledged vibrant democracy.But Pakistan is just lunatic case.
    We are already in Afghanistan and temperature is already charged in there.

    We dont need to worry about this.India had been on a weak foundation during 1962 when they attacked us.For Chinese that was an action to punish us .
    But for us ,it was an infinite source of energy .Our weak foundation become invincible and united us more than anything else .
    Even though we lost that war ,this was our benefit.Apparently Chinese still didnt learn that lesson.Actions like this will only make us stronger .In China CCP is everything but in India people is everything and latter is infinitely better than former
     
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    It is not about govt,it is about our nation .China has picked a wrong enemy my friend .
    Everything they did with their iron fist ,we will do that in here in democracy.

    Until now Chinese were silent about us but now our each and every movements is making them nervous .Recent election result also made them nervous.
    South Asians has natural resilent ,Afghanistan is one example ,Pakistan is also same .But both of them are unstable .
    But when you have a nation that has same blood and resilent and at the same time have a modern economic ,military and democratic power then you are looking for real trouble .
    India is One.
     

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