China’s Sukhoi Submission

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  1. Hembo
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    Are you happy that not enough confidence is being shown to your J-10s & 11s.

    Any feedback?
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    J-35 is coming ..:terrorist:
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    :lmao:
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  4. GUNS-N- ROSES
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    yes it wont be long before su-35 is converted to J-35.
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  5. DrSomnath999
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    hmmm they have to go for su 35 as it is the only 4.5 ++ gen fighter which can counter rafale.
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    i am happy because china is getting the best flanker fighter,

    as the saying goes "Know the enemy and know yourself, and you can fight a hundred battles with no danger of defeat."

    Don't make it too complicated....

    i care less what you think of J10/J11
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  7. RAGE
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    Then buy 20 rafales and order some PAK-FAs and Mig-29s too..:drinking:
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    Wonder if they would sell a few to the USA, we love to train our pliots against the actual planes the enemy will be flying.
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    Maybe chinese want to cover their bases just in case,
    Russians should be worried about Chinese reverse engineering, and even if they can do, it might be after 2020 by that time this technology might not be cutting edge,,
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    good for the Russians, and it shows all the guys who said China was not going to buy more flankers thanks to J-11B/Su-27 chinese copy was better than Su-35, and that China has a WS-15 engine ready to be deployed on J-20 with supercruise as only were fans with only internet forum insinders hahaha and as Russian sources said, the original is better than the copy

    China's J-15 carrier-based fighter will not be able to compete with Russia's Su-33 fighter on global markets because it is inferior to the Russian aircraft, a Russian military analyst said on Friday.

    http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20100604/159306694.html
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  11. MiG-23MLD
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    Russia has better aircraft on T-50 and better engines already than 117
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    YES, China is making T-50 which is much capable, but let me tell you a story of recent past.
    When Russia sold Su-27 Flankers to China, I think they also had a deal for licenced production.
    As part of the deal Russia had sent some of the Su-27 engines.
    But later the Chinese cancelled the deal for licence production, and later a copy of Su-27 was seen flying under the name J-11. The Russians protested but the Chinese did not give a damn. but guess the number of engines that Russia sold were less.

    Now since Russia got that experience when their top of the line plane was copied shamelessly, they are more cautious of it. Russians never had any such problems with India. HAL and other defence companies have adhered to the agreements to the letter, and there have been no any such copying.

    When India and Russia joined hands to make the 5th Gen place it was logical step, based on the past experience with China, would Russia want to expose its cutting edge technology to China.

    A technology in aviation remains cutting edge for about 4-5 years max and after that it drizzles down from top class planes to middle rung planes. So any technology that may go with Su-35 may not be cutting edge by 2020.

    Where as PAKFA will become operational quite some time later and so the technology that it will incorporate will be protected as much as possible,

    The technology used in Su-35 are not top edge and not cutting edge as in T-50,, Agree?
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    I am seriously worried with this deal, china already has qualitative and quantitive edge and su-35 would only make it worse for us, they will have insane no. Of flankers and their derivatives
    The point is I am not worried by no. Of su-35 they are acquiring but no. Of j-xx they will make derived/reverse engineered from su-35.
    Either we should have talk with russia over this and prevent this deal by offering some more lucrative offer like buying another 40 PAK-FAs or anything like that
    And if finally this deal is signed we should definately buy more rafales and PAK-FAs and s-400 :tomcat:
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    And the point to wonder about this is Russia still moving on with selling the teachnolgy to china...... ????

    Im really getting worried about Russian intentions now, either perhaps they are gettin frustrated now with India moving away from them for Defence hardware and techs ?????? ...or either they are intentionally ignoring the consequences with such a state out of thier economic compulsions...................... i dont want to feel regret again :smashcomp:
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    China has denied they have reached an agreement

    El Ministerio de Defensa de China negó este viernes que Pekín y Moscú alcanzaran un acuerdo sobre la compra a Rusia de cazas Su-35, tal como lo afirmaron algunos medios rusos.

    El diario “Kommersant” informó el pasado martes citando a una fuente del sector militar ruso que ambos países estaban próximos a firmar un contrato de compraventa de 48 cazas polivalentes Su-35 por casi 4.000 millones de dólares.

    Según el Ministerio chino, esta información “carece de fundamento real”.

    Al mismo tiempo, la entidad valoró muy positivamente la cooperación técnico-militar con Rusia, al subrayar que “es una parte importante de las relaciones estratégicas entre los dos países que evoluciona de forma estable”.

    China y Rusia “cooperan intensamente en distintos ámbitos logrando buenos resultados”, resumió el Ministerio chino de Defensa.http://sp.rian.ru/Defensa/20120309/153063199.html
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