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China's 12th Type 052D destroyer under construction

Discussion in 'China & Asia Pacific' started by Martian, Jul 16, 2016.

  1. Martian

    Martian Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    China has almost finished construction of the 9th Type 052D second-generation AESA-radar destroyer at Dalian (see third picture below). China has also started construction of the 12th Type 052D destroyer.

    Additionally, the 24th Chinese Type 054A frigate is ready for sea trials.
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    Photo of the day: Dalian shipyard's 2nd and 3rd Type 052D LUYANG III-Class Destroyer (12th overall)

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    Type 052D Chinese Aegis launch dates

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    Kunming, China's first Type 052D destroyer. (Internet photo)
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Outstanding target for Indian Navy and Brahmos.
     
  3. Martian

    Martian Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    According to the US Department of Defense, China's YJ-18 anti-ship cruise missile (which is carried on the Chinese Type 052D destroyer) has a range of 290 nautical miles or 330 statute miles.

    In contrast, the Russian-Indian Brahmos has a much shorter range of 160 nautical miles.

    Since the Chinese YJ-18 ASCM has almost twice the range of a Russian-Indian Brahmos, the Indian naval ship will be destroyed long before it can use its short-legged Brahmos.
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    Source (US Department of Defense): http://www.defense.gov/Portals/1/Documents/pubs/2015_China_Military_Power_Report.pdf (page 18 of 98)

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    venureddy Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    @Martian do you really think that brahmos range is just 290km:facepalm:.
     
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    flanker143 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    currently the brahmos fuel tanks are filled 50% of their capacity, fill em up completely and you will get a range of 550km. And now with mtcr we are going to do just that.
     
  6. Martian

    Martian Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    IHS Jane's says the Brahmos has a 292-km range.

    The Brahmos has a short range for two reasons. Firstly, Russia is not permitted to export a missile to India that exceeds the MTCR limit of 300km. Secondly, the Brahmos is a Mach 3 supersonic missile that burns a huge amount of fuel throughout its flight.

    In contrast, the Chinese YJ-18 ASCM is subsonic in flight and becomes Mach 3 only in the terminal stage (which is 25 miles from its target). Hence, the large discrepancy in range between the Chinese YJ-18 ASCM and the Brahmos.

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    India aims to supply BrahMos cruise missiles to Vietnam | IHS Jane's

    "Foremost among the proposed materiel is the joint India-Russia-developed BrahMos anti-ship cruise missile featuring a 292 km strike range...."

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  7. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    And the DRDO Chief says the range is 600Km. P-800 range is also 600Km.

    Brahmos's range is governed by guidance. That will be lifted now because of MTCR. It didn't matter anyway because when war started, the restriction would have been lifted anyway.
     
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  8. Martian

    Martian Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    You can believe whatever conspiracy theory that you want.

    The experts at the MTCR are no idiots. You don't circumvent the MTCR.

    Furthermore, the experts at IHS Jane's are not idiots either. They say the Brahmos has a range of 292 km.

    Thirdly, the Brahmos engine is a ramjet. At Mach 3, the range of the Brahmos is consistent with the size of the missile.

    Fourthly, as far as I know, the Brahmos has no export buyers despite being in existence for 10 years. This is due to the Brahmos' short range and high cost.

    But hey, if you want to ignore the facts and insist on your conspiracy theory of a fictitious longer-range Brahmos then you are free to engage in self-delusion. By the way, the IHS Jane's citation is from only last month (e.g. June 1, 2016).

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    Every major publication claims the Brahmos has a 290 km range. Brahmos itself (see fourth citation below) claims a 290 km range.

    PJ-10 BrahMos | Global Security
    "India expected to significantly enhance its long-range strike abilities with the BrahMos cruise missile, jointly developed by New Delhi and Moscow. The supersonic missile -- which derives its name from the Brahmaputra and Moscow rivers in both countries - has a range of almost 300 km and is designed for use with land, sea and aerial platforms."

    With China on its mind, India set to export BrahMos cruise missile to Vietnam | The Times of India
    "Indonesia and the Philippines had also asked for the BrahMos, which has a range of 290km and can be fired from land, sea and submarine."

    BrahMos Supersonic Cruise Missile, India | Army Technology
    "BrahMos has a flight range of up to 290km and can reach a maximum speed of Mach 3. The air launched version of the missile is under development as of 2013."

    India’s BrahMos missile, ‘world’s fastest’, attracts global interest: 7 facts | The Financial Express (3rd slide)
    "The missile has a range of 290 km, has a maximum velocity of 2.8 Mach and cruises at altitudes varying from 10 metres to 15 km, claims BrahMos."
     
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  9. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Oh, we have nukes, but oooooooo, nobody circumvents MTCR, ooooooooo.

    A very stupid statement. Look up P-800 and its range.
     
  10. Martian

    Martian Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    You're making up absurd claims, because you don't understand technology.

    China's YJ-18 has an efficient turbojet engine with a ramjet/scramjet terminal-phase engine.

    The Russian-Indian Brahmos has a solid rocket booster and only a ramjet engine. There is no efficient turbojet engine in the Brahmos.

    To claim a ramjet Brahmos has the same range as a fuel-efficient Chinese YJ-18 turbojet engine is stupid.

    The fuel efficiency of a Chinese YJ-18 turbojet engine, which is represented by turbofan on this chart because a turbofan has a turbojet core, is two to six times that of a Russian-Indian ramjet Brahmos engine.
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Now you've gone into the realms of full retard. The Russians have 600Km on P-800, Brahmos is simply an Indian P-800.

    Turbojet is shit.

    Whatever tech you have managed is of no concern to Brahmos. There is a reason why Meteor outranges Aim-120D, and it also has only a ramjet.
     
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    Martian Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    The laws of physics do not change despite your wish for a longer-range Brahmos.

    For your information, the Meteor has a range of only 63 miles.

    The AIM-120D has a range of over 97 nautical miles or 112 statute miles.

    The AIM-120D has a range that is DOUBLE that of the Meteor.

    You are wrong in your assertion. The Metero DOES NOT outrange the AIM-120D. You do not have your facts straight.
     
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    Brahmos has many flight trajectories and also fuel-warhead combinations. In its Hi-Hi profile it can hit 750kms range. To sell this weapon within the limits of MTCR, all we need to do is to change the software to remove those flight profiles which allow it to hit 750kms range.
     
  14. Martian

    Martian Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    No one cares about your flight trajectory or fuel-warhead combination.

    The laws of physics apply to everyone. A Chinese YJ-18 turbojet engine is far more efficient than a Russian-Indian scramjet Brahmos.

    Hence, the Chinese YJ-18 has almost twice the range of the Brahmos. This is consistent with physics and the data reported by reputable publications (e.g. Jane's, Global Security, Times of India, etc.).

    You and RandomRadio are delusional and making false claims.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    You need urgent lessons in physics and so does your scientists who only steal and copy things. have ever heard of fuel burn vs speed vs range graphs? Go and figure it out and let me know what it means. After that debate your funny science with me.
     

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