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Chinese 4th generation jet fighters vs Indian 4th generation jet fighters

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by RMFAN, Oct 5, 2017.

  1. Agent_47

    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    I have tried, im sharing my wisdom. :drag: His base point is ''*** measuring' to show who is better, nothing more or less. Search for the term 'Wumao'.
     
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  2. RMFAN

    RMFAN 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Chinese homemade J-20, J-16 and J-10C , all equipped with AESA radar and the latest PL-10/Pl-15 AAM(The rocket motor allows the PL-15 to fly a semi-ballistic trajectory to achieve extra long range. PL-15 can reach out to over 300 km at a speed greater than Mach 4 (4,900 km/h). The missile's cruising altitude is about 30 km)

    http://www.chinatopix.com/articles/...ed-destroy-air-force-aerial.htm#ixzz4uqEyCMDi
    https://sputniknews.com/politics/201701271050085721-china-missile-pentagon/

    Chinese PL-15 LRAAM is superior to the Russian R77 and the Indian Astra (Operational range:80-110 km in head on chase).

    On paper, Chinese homemade J-20, J-16 and J-10C are superior than the Indian su-30 MKI and the upgrade version "Super Sukhoi", since Chinese homemade J-20, J-16 and J-10C can detect the Su-30 MKI and the upgrade version "Super Sukhoi" 200 km
    away and launch PL-15 LRAAM to destroy them. On the other hand, even if the Indian Su-30 MKI and the upgrade version "Super Sukhoi" can detect the Chinese homemade J-20, J-16 and J-10C 200 km away but no LRAAM to fire.

     
  3. Angel Eyes

    Angel Eyes 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Ever heard of iaf K 100 missile..dumbo...???
     
  4. RMFAN

    RMFAN 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Anyway, Chinese homemade J-20, J-16 and J-10C can be manufactured in full scale by the Chinese . Meanwhile, as the Indian Su-30 MKI and the upgrade version "Super Sukhoi" had to rely on Russian supply and your fate is controlled by somebody else. That is the deference between China and India in military manufacturing industry.
     
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  5. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Wrong, because India will integrate own systems and weapons into the MKI, while also using Russian high techs and weapons that are available to us.
    China on the other hand, can't upgrade Su 30s or 35s with own systems and don't get Russian high techs and weapons either and that's the difference, because that makes you more dependent on Russia than India for these fighters.
    And as said before, you haven't shown any official source to compare the Chinese AESA with Russian IRBIS PESA for example, so you don't know if J16 is superior to Su35 and there is no reason to believe that the MKI upgrade will be anything short of the 35.
     
  6. RMFAN

    RMFAN 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Chinese do not need any upgrading of Su-30MKI which are outdated and waiting for retired a few years later, and they will be replaced by J-16 and J-20.

    24 Su-35 are not the main force in Chinese Air Force as they are used for training partners for Chinese J-16/J-10/J-20/J-15/J-11B. And their Saturn AL-41F1S afterburning turbofan engines can be a reference for Chinese R&D .

    Chinese Air Force eyes on US Air Force only, nobody else.

    Chinese J-20A powered by WS-10B turbo fan engines vs American F-22

    Chinese J-20B powered by WS-15 turbo fan engines vs American F-22 upgrade version

    Chinese J-31 production version vs American F-35A/B/C

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    Chinese J-16 powered by WS-10A turbo fan VS American F-15SE

    Chinese J-10C powered by WS-10A turbo fan VS American F-16V

    Chinese J-15B powered by WS-10H turbo fan VS American F-18E/F



    Only China can develop such range of jet fighters to challenge the American in the world.
     
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  7. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    MKK, but of course they do, that's why Su 35 was bought to get advanced Russian radar and engine technology, that is superior to what the J11 and Co fleet offered.

    Which again confirms the technological superiority of Russian techs, that China could not match without buying Su 35s.
     
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    RMFAN 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Only the turbo fan engines of Su 35s are the good reference for Chinese R&D, not the outdated avionics and radar. However, Chinese WS-15 turbo fan is a few years away for use. Well, about 5 years later, Chinese turbo fan engine will surpass the Russian and try to catch up the American.

    30 yeras ago, nobody can imagine that China can catch up the technology of American 5th generation jet fighters in 30 years.

    30 years ago , in 1980's, China had no capability to design and manufacture 4th generation jet fighter. At that time, the American already started to design the fifth generation jet fighter.

    For the last 30 years, Indian HAL Tejas project is a failure as the Indian Air Force still wants to buy the other foreign jet fighters like F-16 till now.
     
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    sangos Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    China is yet to develop its own turbofans to power jets. So till then all it can do for 4th gen is fly prototypes with Russian fans.
     
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    RMFAN 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Chinese homemade WS-10A turbo fan engines have been into mass production to installed on J-11B/J-16/J-10B/C.

    Chinese homemade WS-10B turbo fan engines have been tested on J-20 recently.
     
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    Angel Eyes 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    He is a brainwashed wumao, there is no point in debating with him
     
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  12. Agent_47

    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    No body still imagine Chinese having 5th gen. Who knows whats inside.

    Remember Su-35 ? Oh wait its a trainer. You can't even make a trainer. :biggthumpup:

    He have no other option, sympathise for him.
     
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    RMFAN 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    What you said is just a joke, a reflection of a Indian type Wumao.
     
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    Funny thing is that , they declared it production ready while even the russians are struggling with Su 57....
     
  15. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    How is their avionics outdated, when they are better than what J16 has? Look at the cockpit displays for example! What Russia added years ago to the Su 35, China is now adding to J20, while J16 has older gen MFDs. So you keep on catching up, because of your limitations in design and development.

    Step 1 - buying Su 27 single role fighters
    => Step 2 - reverse engineering them into J11

    Step 3 - buying Su 30MKK and Su 33
    multi role and naval fighters
    => Step 4 - implementing the knowledge into J16 and J15

    Step 5 - developing J20 based on Russian and US designs
    => buying Su 35 to get engine and or radar technology to reverse engineer again

    So it's a constant catch up game, with very limited own design and development gains.
    Your main skill is, the increasing level of quality in reverse engineering and I mean that sincerely, because especially the navalising of J11 based on Su 33 and even more so your carrier developments based on the older carrier, went so fast and well, that one has to admire China's industrial capabilities!
    However, at the same time the design and development skills especially in the aviation field remain very limited. You still develop only "own upgrades", of a foreign fighter design's (J11, 15 and 16, from Su 27, 33 and 30), but don't develop own fighter designs! That's where Russia, the US and other countries still remain clearly ahead, even after all these years.
    I have no doubt that you will catch up on design and development as well, you are spending a whole lot of money to buy foreign know how and improving your capabilities, so it needs to gain success at some point, but it still will take some time.
     

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