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Chinese Aircraft Carriers: Updates & Discussions

Discussion in 'China & Asia Pacific' started by Hembo, Jun 8, 2011.

  1. km小夫子

    km小夫子 FULL MEMBER

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    I totally don't know the things you said ,its really difficult to talk about Sikkim with a chinese,more than 90% Chinese have not heard Sikkim,I know Sikkim just because I like geography when I was a student....
     
  2. km小夫子

    km小夫子 FULL MEMBER

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    this is why its so difficult to understand eachother,but its really cool to know the difference.
     
  3. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Well, as for my word, you can take it. This is precisely the issue. If I give you first hand account, you will not believe it. There is a 'creeping' policy on Sino-Indian border being followed by China. The watershed is being increasingly occupied, whereas the 1st step was to stay off the watershed and try and keep that is a boundary.

    Sikkim is very much there, as a State.
     
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    Veeran Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    One more tip, when you visit India, take the food easy, don't try everything. Food is really different, might be too spicy.
     
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    RMLOVER Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    The Chinese way of imitation is for surpassing. look at the above photos of The evolution of Chinese Aircraft Carrier from CV-16 to CV-17, The Chinese edition of CV-17 already surpassing the former USSR design CV-16.

    At the beginning of manufacturing telecom equipments, Huawei had to copy the design and technology of the top western companies. Right now, Huawei already stands shoulder to shoulder with the top western companies like Ericsson and Nokia in 5G mobile network technology.




    CV-16 vs CV17

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    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    China’s Future Aircraft Carrier Force Could Be a Financial Train Wreck
    Resources poured into aircraft carriers are a massive budgetary burden

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    China's homegrown aircraft carrier is transferred from the dry dock into the water during a launch ceremony at Dalian shipyard / Getty Images


    BY: Reuben F. Johnson
    April 26, 2017 4:00 pm

    SINGAPORE—China's launch of its first homegrown aircraft carrier on Wednesday could be the beginning of a financial train wreck, according to carrier design and construction specialists.

    Unless seriously revised, China's plans for its future carrier force could become a major financial difficulty for the country. The resources poured into aircraft carriers are a massive budgetary burden, even in the United States, according to Andrew Marshall, former director of the Pentagon's Office of Net Assessment.

    China's first "indigenous" aircraft carrier, assigned the hull number of CV-17, is expected to be named the Shandong and will be slightly larger at 70,000 tons than the CV-16, China's first-ever aircraft carrier.

    The CV-17, characterized by the Chinese as a "homegrown" design, is an upgraded version of the Liaoning. The Soviet-built Liaoning, however, was not developed either in China or with China's naval requirements in mind. Ukraine sold the unfinished ship in 1998 to Chinese middlemen "pretending to have no connection to the navy," according to one China military analyst in Washington. "This was done under the ridiculous pretense that the carrier would be tied up at the docks in Macau to become a floating casino painted in battleship grey."

    The ship was eventually towed to the Dalian shipyards, where it underwent more than a decade of re-fitting as the People's Liberation Army Navy worked to develop aircraft for carrier-based use.

    This new carrier will be "just enough different from the Liaoning that the PLAN will enjoy minimal benefits—if any—and no synergism from having two similarly-designed ships," according to a U.S. aircraft carrier design specialist who spoke to the Washington Free Beacon. The troubles that the Chinese will have with their carrier fleet "are only going to multiply geometrically if they follow through on their previously declared plans for future ships."

    The PLAN is expected to launch a second carrier in 2021 that will be equipped with a steam catapult similar to that of the U.S. Navy's current fleet of carriers. A subsequent program for a third series of carrier calls for ships to be fitted with an electromagnetic catapult—like that of the U.S. Navy's incoming Gerald Ford-class ships—and to be powered with a nuclear reactor.

    Operating a fleet of ships of widely disparate and dissimilar designs "is not the way anyone trying to develop an effective carrier force would do it," said the carrier design specialist. "This could turn out to be logistics nightmare of significant proportions."

    A retired U.S. Government naval specialist said the cost of supporting naval vessels would be huge.

    "It is a ever-expanding drain on resources that will not become clear to the Chinese until it is too late for them to reverse it," he said. "When you look at the potential of what this could do to the PLAN's future budgets—as well as the other programs that will have to be sacrificed to keep the carriers afloat—it is easy to see why people like [Andrew] Marshall are more sage and less alarmist about the ‘coming Chinese carrier threat.'"
     
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    The Admiral Kuznetsov, Russia’s lone aircraft carrier

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    Chinese homemade CV-17

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    Comparing to the Chinese homemade CV-17, Russia’s lone aircraft carrier The Admiral Kuznetsov is just like crap.
     
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    ranadd 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    ^^^

    Doubt it. RuN AC is not just for aircrafts. Read up more about it. Provided its engine doesnt burst, it has similar or more fire power than an entire future chinese carrier group.
     
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    RMLOVER Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    In Chinese eyes, only USA Ford class AC is our target.

    10 years later , Chinese will built a same class AC like Ford.
     
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    ranadd 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    That's not the discussion I had with you. Chinese AC is not even at par with Russian AC. Russian AC is still a heavy weight UFC fighter compared to the Chinese light weight champ.
     
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  11. RMLOVER

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    That is just what you think, who cares!

    By the way, the Russia’s lone aircraft carrier ,The Admiral Kuznetsov is under refurbishment as the Russians know it is outdated.
     
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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    You took the basic flankers and improved it but in the end you still wanted Su-35. A step behind.

    I don't see much difference in the chart.
     
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    ranadd 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Gladly, you. Thank you very much.

    It is not my opinion. Fire power to Fire Power, Chinese AC looses out.

    And I am pretty sure you still do not get what i am referring to. Other members are just enjoying looking at your stupidity.
     
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    Russian Su-35 is best sparring trainer for Chinese J-20

    The Chinese can not buy the American F-22 or F-35 for training with the new J-20, therefore, buying the Russian Su-35 for training with the J-20 is the only option since the Su-35 is the closest rival which the Chinese can buy.

    After training with the Su-35, the J-20 can be upgraded to better version based on the training data. The J-20B, J-20C with better homemade WS-15 turbo fan engine and better stealth design can be expected in few years later.

    At the beginning, the Chinese just wants to buy 2 Su-35 for trial, but the Russian knows the capability of the Chinese. Therefore, the minimum 24 Su-35 fighters for USD2bn is the deal .

    Anyway, 24 Su-35 fighters are enough for training with the J-20, J-16, J-11B , J-10C and so on.
     
  15. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Keep it civil please, you don't have to agree with him, but can still acknowledge his effort to keep the thread updated. Any info that is shared, improves the forum!
     
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