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Discussion in 'China & Asia Pacific' started by RMLOVER, Apr 6, 2017.

  1. HariPrasad

    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Your 2 shitty chinese submarines was recently spied by Indian kilo class submarine and they did not know anything. Junk chinese submarines are worth nothing and has a big noise and signature. recently in an exercise with US navy, Indian kilo class identify and shoot it. Indian subs has best in class sonars and nothing has escaped from it till date. If war breaks out, Chinese submarines shall not even know who shot them down.
     
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    cuibw99 FULL MEMBER

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    Really?
     
  3. RMLOVER

    RMLOVER 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Chinese show off the latest home-made weapon here, such as 052D destroyer, 093B SSN , 094 SSBN, while you show off the outdated Russian Kilo without AIP here and feel no shame about it.

    What you said here just brings the shame to your people and country. Nothing to reply for you.
     
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    RMLOVER 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    By the way, India credit rating close to Junk. You should be proud for it.

    Standard & Poor's
    For S&P, a bond is considered investment grade if its credit rating is BBB- or higher. Bonds rated BB+ and below are considered to be speculative grade, sometimes also referred to as "junk" bonds.

    China AA- Negative 2016-03-31
    India BBB- Stable 2014-09-26
    Russia BB+ Positive 2017-03-17


    Moody's
    For Moody's, a bond is considered investment grade if its credit rating is Baa3 or higher. Bonds rated Ba1 and below are considered to be speculative grade, sometimes also referred to as "junk" bonds.


    China Aa3 Negative 2016-03-02
    India Baa3 Positive November 16, 2016
    Russia Ba1 Negative 2016-04-22
     
  5. HariPrasad

    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    But this does not prove Chinese aircraft any better.
     
  6. HariPrasad

    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    We have Kolkata class which can lick the butt of your third rate type 52D. Brahmos can break it into two just by shear kinetic energy.. Kilo class is called black hole by western countries because of its stealthiness. Your third rate Chinese subs have technology of 1970 era soviet submarines. Soviet expert said this. So do not get over joyous with third rate technology. China copies even pencil cell. I am sure that you must be very proud of your copied weapon of Russian technology of seventies.
     
  7. HariPrasad

    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Yes.
     
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    cuibw99 FULL MEMBER

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    Could you please help to share your info source here? E.g. related info published on any trusted media source(cnn, bbc, nytimes, etc)?
     
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    I don't know how you get this confidence. Have you ever carefully compared Kolkata with 052D? As far as I know, Kolkata use AK630 which has already been deprecated in China for destroyer(China use 1130 CIWS + HHQ-10). Has Israel's Barak-8 finished all the testing? Btw, is Barak-8's maximum speed Mach 2? Without Russia's engine and parts, can India produce Brahmos independently? For radar, do you really believe Israel's EL/M-2248 MF-STAR is better than 052D's type 346A?

    What I heard about Kolkata class, the radar comes from either Israel or British, anti-air missile comes from Israel, VLS system comes from US, naval gun comes from Russia, engine from Ukraine, the steels of the ship comes from Russia, the fire controlling system is the combination of British/US/French/Israel, The design of the ship body comes from Italy, and the Shipborne Command System comes from Canada. If majority of above are true, how India can highly depend on this vessel which has huge number of external dependencies.

    I has been avoiding to dispute and compare particular equipment here because the dispute will be always meaningless and endless. But I still cannot control myself saying lots of things this time.
     
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    Beside Russia, if there is any other country knowing best with Kilo, I think it is China, not India.

    Not everyone is qualified for copying. E.g. SA-6 missile, how long India spent to copy it? more than 30 years?

    China copied Ukraine's UGT25000(M80) gas turbine engine for 052C/D destroyer. If I remember correct, Kolkata uses M36E which is much older than M80. It is your freedom to laugh China copying technologies from former CCCP counties, but I would also like to mention that the military equipment India bought from Russia or Ukraine is not always better than the counterpart one China copied.
     
  11. HariPrasad

    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Naturally you may be very proud of your copying abilities but you do very dirty copies. Your copied weapons are not more than a junk like j 15, j 10 (9 of which has fallen down in 2 years) and type 99 and Lioning. All are just crap and nothing else.
     
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    THE GREAT ASIAN SHOWDOWN : INDIA’S KOLKATA CLASS V/S CHINA’S TYPE-52D DESTROYER
    Posted on September 24, 2014 by N.R.P

    https://defencyclopedia.com/2014/09...s-kolkata-class-vs-chinas-type-52d-destroyer/


    CONCLUSION



    The Kolkata class narrowly loses out in the overall rating. Its main strengths lie in its radar systems and ASW. The Type-52D has its strengths in Anti-Air and Anti-Surface warfare. Both are first rate products of their respective nations and truly deserve the attention they get.

    A higher rating for the Type-52D doesn’t necessarily mean that it will win against the Kolkata in a one on one engagement. Victory in a conflict depends largely on the training of the crew in maneuvering, damage control and the tactics employed the captain.


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    Indian Kolkata class Destroyer

    Initially in 2008, the total program cost with long-term spare parts was expected to cost ₹3,800 crore (US$560 million),[33] but the construction costs escalated about 225%, and by 2011, cost of the program became ₹11,662 crore (US$1.7 billion), with each ship costing ₹3,900 crore (US$580 million).[34] The Defense Minister A. K. Antony cited the causes being the delay in supply of warship-grade steel by Russia, increase in costs of Russian specialists due to inflation during the build period, wage revision due from October 2003 and delay in finalisation of cost of weapons and sensors.[35][36]

    Name Pennant Yard No. Builder Laid Down Launched Sea Trials Commissioned Homeport Status
    INS Kolkata D63 701[37] Mazagon Dock Limited 27 March 2003 30 March 2006[38][39] 2013 16 August 2014[40] Mumbai Active
    INS Kochi D64 702[37] 25 October 2005 18 September 2009[41] 2014-15[42] 30 September 2015[43] Active
    INS Chennai D65 702[37] 21 February 2006 1 April 2010[44] 2015-16 21 November 2016[13] Active

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    Chinese type 052D Destroyer

    Number Pennant number Name Builder Launched Commissioned Fleet Status
    1 DDG-172 昆明 / Kunming Jiangnan Shipyard (Group) Co. Ltd. 28 August 2012 21 March 2014 South Sea Fleet Active[29]
    2 DDG-173 长沙 / Changsha Jiangnan Shipyard (Group) Co. Ltd. 28 December 2012 12 August 2015 South Sea Fleet Active [30]
    3 DDG-174 合肥 / Hefei Jiangnan Shipyard (Group) Co. Ltd. 1 July 2013 12 December 2015 South Sea Fleet Active [31]
    4 DDG-175 银川 / Yinchuan Jiangnan Shipyard (Group) Co. Ltd. 30 March 2014 12 July 2016 South Sea Fleet Active [32]
    5 DDG-117 西宁 / Xining Jiangnan Shipyard (Group) Co. Ltd. 26 August 2014 22 January 2017 North Sea Fleet Active[33]
    6 DDG-118 乌鲁木齐 / Ürümqi [34] Jiangnan Shipyard (Group) Co. Ltd. 30 December 2014 Est April 2017 North Sea Fleet Sea trial
    7 DDG-154 厦门 / Xiamen [35] Jiangnan Shipyard (Group) Co. Ltd. 7 July 2015 Est November 2017 East Sea Fleet Sea trial
    8 DDG-119 贵阳 / Guiyang [36] Dalian Shipbuilding Industry Company 28 November 2015 Est March 2018 North Sea Fleet Sea trial
    9 DDG-155[citation needed] 南京 / Nanjing[citation needed] Jiangnan Shipyard (Group) Co. Ltd. 28 December 2015 Est April 2018 East Sea Fleet[citation needed] Sea trial
    10 DDG-156[citation needed] 太原 / Taiyuan[citation needed] Jiangnan Shipyard (Group) Co. Ltd. 28 July 2016 Est November 2018 East Sea Fleet[citation needed] Fitting out
    11 DDG-120[citation needed] 成都 / Chengdu[citation needed] Dalian Shipbuilding Industry Company 3 August 2016 Est December 2018 North Sea Fleet[citation needed] Fitting out
    12 DDG-157[citation needed] 南宁 / Nanning[citation needed] Jiangnan Shipyard (Group) Co. Ltd. 26 December 2016 Est April 2019 East Sea Fleet[citation needed] Fitting out
    13 Dalian Shipbuilding Industry Company Under Construction
    14 Jiangnan Shipyard (Group) Co. Ltd.[citation needed] Under Construction

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    14 Chinese type 052D Destroyers vs 3 Indian Kolkata class Destroyers

    Not only outgunned but outnumbered , This is called slaughter.
     
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  13. HariPrasad

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    Pl find here with the link. Many articles are also there on net.
     
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    Sorry, I don't think several CG photos along with the texts read by a robot can be seem as the trust media source, especially for the explosive news China submarine hit by India submarine.
     
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    Whatever you say, as long as you are happy.
     

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