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Chinese troops enter Indian territory again: Report

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  1. CONNAN

    CONNAN Major ELITE MEMBER

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    Leh/Srinagar: After remaining peaceful for most of the year, Chinese troops entered Indian territory in the fag end of 2010 along the Line of Actual Control in South-eastern Ladakh region and threatened a contractor and his team to halt work on constructing a "passenger shed".

    The Chinese troops, which included motor-cycle borne personnel of People's Liberation Army (PLA), entered Gombir area in Demchok region in Jammu and Kashmir and threatened the civilian workers who were building the shed, the plan for which was cleared by the state rural development department, according to details accessed by PTI.

    The incident took place in September-October last year in a village about 300-kms south-east of Leh district headquarters.

    An official report, which was prepared after a meeting of officials from civilian administration, army, central security agencies and Indo-Tibetan Border Police, stated that a passenger shed was approved at an estimated cost of Rs. two lakh to be built at 'T' point in village Gombir under the Border Area Development Project of Ministry of Home Affairs.

    The Chinese army -- PLA -- came to the 'T' point and asked the contractor to stop the work, the report said. An official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the arrival of Chinese troops, some of whom were ironically on motorcycle, triggered panic among the workers who rushed to the nearby Army post for help.

    The Chinese troops also shouted some slogans which could not be translated by the officials, the official said.

    The Army was quick in responding and asked the state government to maintain status quo, the report said and added that the 3 Infantry Division asked the state Government to take the permission of Ministry of Defence before carrying out any construction activities at least 50 kilometres of the Line of Actual Control.

    When contacted, Lt Col J S Brar, who officiates as spokesperson for Leh-based 14 Corps, refused to comment on the issue.

    According to the report, the civil administration proceeded on field verification to the area on October two, 2010 and on the next day, Army wrote to the administration to seek Defence Ministry's clearance for any project within 50
    kms of Border.

    The Civil administration said it was baffled by the Army's missive as this would mean entire Nyoma sub-division would get affected in the matter of developmental work.

    The state Government had planned construction of seven link-roads in Nyoma and Damchok areas to increase connectivity and provide job opportunity to the people of this remote and treacherous mountain region, which is close to the Line of
    Actual Control.

    The Chinese troops, which had carried out incursions into Indian territory in June and July 2009, had also carried out such an exercise in November 2009 also when its troops threatened Indian workers to stop road construction in Ladakh.

    The road construction was taking place in the Demchok sector which was stopped after the Defence Ministry had raised objections with the then Deputy Commissioner (Leh) A K Sahu and asked them to stop the work.

    The work on a link-road in Demchok in South-eastern Ladakh region was stopped last month after objections were raised by the Chinese Army. Work on the road, which was to connect two villages - the last inhabited areas on the Line of Actual Control (LAC) on Sino-Indian border in Demchok - was stopped during the last week of October 2009.

    The road was being built under the Centrally-sponsored National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme (NREGS).

    In 2009, the Chinese Army had violated the International Border in Ladakh region and painted boulders and rocks in the area red.

    The Chinese troops had entered nearly 1.5 kilometres into the Indian territory on July 31 near Mount Gya, recognised as International border by India and China, and painted the boulders and rocks with "China" and "Chin9" in red spray paint.

    The 22,420 ft Mount Gya, also known as "fair princess of snow" by Army, is located at the tri-junction of Ladakh in Jammu and Kashmir, Spiti in Himachal Pradesh, and Tibet. Its boundary was marked during the British era and regarded as
    International border by the two countries.

    Before this, Chinese helicopters had violated the Indian air space on June 21 along the Line of Actual Control in Chumar region and also helli-dropped some expired food.

    Ironically, Chinese army has done construction activities along the international border across Karakoram ranges in Ladakh sector for the first time in 2009 after the 1962 stand-off between the two countries and a report of Jammu and Kashmir government had claimed that Chinese have been taking "land in inches and not in yards".

    "They (Chinese) have threatened the nomadic people who had been using Dokbug area (in Ladakh sector) area for grazing since decades long, in a way to snatch our land in inches. A Chinese proverb is famous in the world 'better do in inches than in yards," the report filed by a former Sub Divisional Magistrate (Nyoma) Tsering Norboo had said.

    Norboo had been deputed by the state government to probe incursion of Chinese Army in Dokbug area and threatening the local shepherds to leave the land as it belonged to them.

    The area has been used by the shepherds to graze their livestock as the area is warmer compared to other parts of Ladakh.

    India and China have been engaged in talks over the Line of Actual Control and had exchanged maps in 2002.

    In the western sector (East Jammu and Kashmir), the Samar Lungpa area, between the Karakoram Pass and the Chipchap river, is contentious, with Chinese maps showing the LAC to be south of the Samar Lungpa.

    This is the northernmost part of the border, far to the north of Leh. But while the Indo-Tibetan Border Police operates north of the line the Chinese claim to be the border, they remain south of the Lungpa. South of the Chipchap River are the Trig Heights, comprising Points 5495 and 5459.

    Chinese troops frequently enter the area and in fact, they have a name for Point 5459; Manshen Hill. The area, south-east of Trig Heights, called Depsang Ridge is also contentious.

    Differences were found when Chinese small-scale maps were interposed on large-scaled Indian ones.

    Chinese troops enter Indian territory again: Report
     
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  2. Tshering22

    Tshering22 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Well if this cannot prove the Chinese stand against us to the ruling government then I don't know what can---maybe when PLA descend upon us, then the GOI would wake up.
     
  3. smallboy123

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    Wat the hell was army doing???
     
  4. Tshering22

    Tshering22 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Actually Ladakh scouts and ITBP are more to be seen here since Army isn't fully stationed during peace times. At least that's what I know. Maybe in China's case it is different. There's a reason why I am so concerned about this after what I have heard some locals say here that the government doesn't mention.
     
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    Man this Congress is the dumbest govt...
     
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    Considering the fact that this Congress govt. was voted overwhelmingly to power by Indian citizens, you are actually cussing at Indian people.

    You are making a strong case for getting yourself banned.
     
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    DaRk KnIght Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    My question exactly.
     
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    Army under fire for incursions

    Srinagar, Jan. 10: The repeated incursions by the Chinese army in Ladakh have prompted the topmost civil official of the region to ask why the security forces are scared of the Chinese.

    “The Chinese are intimidating us. They know they can intimidate India, take liberty with India,” said Rigzin Spallbar, chief executive councillor of the Leh Autonomous Hill Development Council.

    Spallbar, who is from the Congress, said it was not just the Chinese but “our own security forces” who were putting “lots of restrictions” on the movement of Ladakhis in areas close to the Chinese border.

    A report prepared by the Leh district administration has revealed that the Chinese army had intruded into the Indian side in September- October last year and halted the construction of a passenger shed.

    The Jammu and Kashmir government took the matter up with the Indian Army but was asked “to maintain status quo”.

    “What I have learnt recently is that a notification was issued (by the Indian government) in 1990 that bars any construction within 50km of the border unless you get a no-objection certificate from the defence and home ministries. This is too much. Then what is left with us?” Spallbar said.

    Tsering Angchuk, the Leh district commissioner, said the restriction was in force across more than 5,000sqkm of the Nyoma subdivision, which has an area of more than 20,000sqkm and is situated near the China border.

    Spallbar said he did not understand the logic behind these restrictions, as “lots of developmental activities” were taking place on the other side. But what worried him more was that the Indian security forces were allegedly preventing nomadic Ladakhis from moving in the area.

    “Our security forces are not allowing our people to go to these areas. If you don’t go to the pasture land, one day they (the Chinese) will simply walk in,” he said.

    “Our people are really worried. They say we can understand the (role of) the Chinese as they are an enemy. But why should our own paramilitary forces deprive people of (the) benefit (of land to graze their animals)? Why should they be scared of the Chinese? That is what our people ask us.”

    Spallbar added: “China has encroached on our land, the whole of Aksai Chin is occupied by them. On top of that, they are interfering in our land. Why should we be scared of them?”

    He said he had asked the defence and home ministers to withdraw the notification. He said India was too “sensitive vis-à-vis the Chinese”, which it should not be.

    “If that continues to happen, China will go on intimidating us. They are dictating terms from across the border and we are falling into their trap,” Spallbar said.

    He, however, pledged the people would not migrate from the area and continue to live there.

    “It is our country, our land. Why should we run away? The moment we start doing that we begin falling into the trap of the Chinese. That is what they want,” he said.

    This is the second time since 2009 that development work has been abandoned in Ladakh under Chinese pressure. Earlier, a road project was abandoned by the state government after the Chinese army objected to the construction.
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    The Telegraph - Calcutta (Kolkata) | Nation | Army under fire for incursions
     
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    Atta boy! Rigzin, you put the question straight on their faces. Well done.

    That's something some smart alecks on this forum need to realize before glorifying the government as a heavenly damsel pure of any black spots. BTW if the GOI doesn't give proper weapons, light tanks, artillery and surveillance to the Army in time, what will the soldiers fight with? nails and teeth?
    Army should not be under fire; the ruling government should be questioned about its defence minister and hence which side of the border their loyalties lie.
     
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    What's wrong in expressing anger? Now people get banned for expressing their opinion? What is this country-- a "people's" republic or democratic republic?

    BTW The man is right. Not because I personally despise Con-party because the following article after your this comment clearly states the pathetic position of India's ruling government by a district official of Ladakh. You see, most people sitting in Delhi and Mumbai don't understand the severity of such warnings since their homes are not in the line of fire. But bordering states face the flak always. Something Con-party needs to understand.

    As for Indian people, they are humans and naturally will be susceptible to making mistakes including myself (though I didn't make the mistake of voting for such jokers).

    Justifying the symbolism of 'public representation' this government is doing, is certainly not worth losing thousands of kms of land to an aggressive tyrannical neighbour. Mind you, they already occupy our more than 30,000 sq.kms of land. Rather than covering up for the blundering disasters that Congress has been making since its inception vis-a-vis the Chinese, you should also be joining the criticism with him.

    Any government of any party making such disasters that too against a larger, aggressive, expansionist neighbour is worthy of at least being criticized.
     
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    These people talk about winning a two-front war. But first, atleast learn how to defend your border ffs.
     
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    Exactly. Pathetic losers and a stupid top brass. These idiots cannot even fight Bangladesh and Maldives if a war broke out and we would be conquered in a minute. No matter what hardware we make or buy, unless we have government that has some bloody balls to respond and react severely, we will keep looking like a bunch of whining losers.

    Curse this bloody government!
     
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    There was nothing called 2 front war. It is worst possible scenario and time required to deploy troops in order to effectively save the country.
     
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    Nothing wrong in expressing anger, however, openly swearing at people who are not here to defend themselves serves no purpose. It only makes this forum come across as place people who have no argument to make except for cussing out. I am sure we can atleast agree on that part.

    Incursions into Indian territory is a matter of severe concern by all Indians irrespective of where they live. However, it is precisely for that reason that try and not make it into a partisan issue.

    Please don't make that false analogy. I never claimed that symbolism is worth losing any piece of land to China.

    Bungling of Congress esp Nehru's handling China and Kashmir has been well documented and I agree that blame lies squarely with them. However, this is not 60's anymore.

    Implying that somehow it is Congress party's official policy to let Chinese take over Indian land is ridiculous.

    It is a serious issue that should be taken up by the media and people responsible for securing borders held accountable for the failure on their part.
     
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    Chinese troops threaten Indians in disputed area

    India on Monday said Chinese troops had threatened Indian workers in an area of the Himalayas claimed by both countries, in the latest sign of long-standing cross-border friction.

    Indian army chief General V.K. Singh told reporters that the workers were illegally building a shelter at Demchok in the Ladakh region of Indian Kashmir when the Chinese military patrol threatened them in September or October.

    The borders between India and China have been the subject of 14 rounds of fruitless talks since 1962, when the two nations fought a brief but a brutal war over the issue.

    The Press Trust of India (PTI) news agency said the Chinese troops told the builders to stop work and shouted at them.

    "Unfortunately, some people for various local gains have pushed construction activity in that area," Singh said, dismissing PTI reports that the building was a transport shelter officially sanctioned by India.

    India says China is illegally occupying 38,000 square kilometres (15,000 square miles) of its northwestern territory, while Beijing claims a 90,000-square-kilometre chunk of Arunachal Pradesh in northeast India.

    Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao met his Indian counterpart Manmohan Singh in New Delhi last month and reaffirmed a 1993 pledge to maintain peace in border areas and continue talks.

    The Indian foreign ministry in a statement said it did not view it as an incursion by Chinese troops into Indian territory because the area is disputed.

    "It will be recollected that there are differences in perception, between India and China, on the Line of Actual Control in this (disputed) area," the statement said.

    "They are, therefore, not a cause for concern," it added.

    Officials at the Chinese foreign ministry in Beijing were not immediately available for comment.

    Chinese troops threaten Indians in disputed area | Defense & Security News at DefenseTalk
     
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