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Chinese troops intrude into Indian territory in Ladakh, erect tent post

Discussion in 'International Relations' started by Rock n Rolla, Apr 20, 2013.

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  1. brahmos_ii

    brahmos_ii Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    India and China sought to play down the incident of a less-than-platoon-strength of 40 Chinese troops camping 10 km inside the Indian territory for a week while New Delhi pulled diplomatic strings to get Beijing to revert to status quo prior to this incursion.

    India has sent an equal complement of the Indian Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) personnel. They are camping 200 yards away from the Chinese in a classic face-to-face posture. But the Army has not moved into forward positions, according to reports that last came in.

    A reluctant Chinese side agreed on Tuesday to an Indian request for a second flag meeting in a week. But having told ITBP personnel repeatedly on Monday to “go back and don’t come back,” officers on the ground saw little possibility of the situation being resolved by local commanders and pointed out that the initial assessment after the flag meeting offer was made was that the Chinese might refuse it.

    In New Delhi, Ministry of External Affairs spokesperson Syed Akbaruddin basically made three points, besides calling on the Chinese to revert to status quo. He admitted it was now a face-to-face situation, but localised; this was not the first time such an incident has happened and; the accent was on resolving the stand-off peacefully through mechanisms agreed upon by the two sides.

    In Beijing, Mr. Akbaruddin’s counterpart, Hua Chunying, sought to play down the tensions amid a shift in tone compared to the previous day when she had strongly rejected Indian claims of an incursion as “speculation” and stressed that the Chinese troops were on “their side of the border.’’

    On Tuesday, she declined to comment on the on-ground situation along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) and instead emphasised the good momentum in India-China ties and sound interactions and cooperation on the border issue. “The two sides should work together to properly solve this issue left over from history through peaceful negotiations, so as to create good conditions for sound development of bilateral relations,’’ she said.

    Her comments on Monday surprised officials in New Delhi, who sought to down-play the row — and leave room for a compromise – by suggesting that differing perceptions of the LAC may have led to the problem. This was a formulation Mr. Akbaruddin repeated on Tuesday as well.

    On the ground though, there was no progress despite last week’s consultations between Foreign Secretary Ranjan Mathai and Chinese Ambassador, a telephonic talk between the two principals of a recently created joint mechanism on border issues and two flag meetings between the Indian Army and the People’s Liberation Army.

    External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid as well as Mr. Akbaruddin drew attention to India’s desire to settle the issue through existing systems and channels.

    According to reliable sources, Chinese troops entered the sector eight days ago and settled down next to abandoned huts and bunkers at Burthe, not very far from the Partappur army base at the foot of Siachen Glacier and the Daulat Beg Oldi air field. These facilities were used for a couple of years after the 1962 war when the area was overrun by Chinese troops.

    Revert to status quo, India tells China - The Hindu
     
  2. SpArK

    SpArK SorCeroR Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    To pull back, China wants India to give up its posts


    Wed Apr 24 2013, 08:28 hrs

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    China has asked the Indian Army to destroy certain fortified positions in the so-called disputed territory in eastern Ladakh in return for the PLA removing its temporary camp in Depsang valley, now at the centre of a military face-off.

    Sources said a flag meeting on Tuesday — the second since the Chinese incursion on April 15 — failed after the Chinese side made its demand. The Indian side was not willing to make a commitment, and that led to an impasse, the sources said.

    The sources said that Indian fortifications that have come up recently in eastern Ladakh are in an area different from the one where the current faceoff is taking place. No official word was forthcoming on the flag meeting.

    Emerging new details of the situation in the Depsang valley show that the standoff was triggered by a series of five transgressions by troops of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) on April 15, including a border crossing by a Chinese military helicopter. India on Tuesday described the situation as being “face to face”, but expressed hope of a peaceful resolution.

    Sources said that hours before Chinese troops pitched three tents in the valley on April 15, a chopper was seen overhead, possibly flying in support of the soldiers. Officials said Tuesday that Chinese troops were at Raki Nala, 10 km inside India’s perception of the Line of Actual Control (LAC).

    The sources said that on the night of April 15, a group of Chinese soldiers engaged Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) personnel for a few hours before retreating. Another group of soldiers, however, used the distraction to put up three tents on disputed territory about three kilometres away.

    The ITBP discovered these tents only the next morning. Around 30 Chinese soldiers armed with light machine guns are said to be present in the tents. The nearest ITBP camp is at Burste, 20 km away.

    Following the discovery — the first occasion since 1986 when Chinese troops had set up a camp on disputed territory — a flag meeting was convened on April 16. The Chinese, however, refused to retreat, saying they were within their territory. Sources said the April 15 incursion followed an earlier transgression five days earlier.

    India on Tuesday said the incident reflected differences over the alignment of the LAC. The official spokesperson of the Ministry of External Affairs, Syed Akbaruddin, said the standoff was a “localised event” in a sector where perceptions of the LAC differ. “We see this as a face to face situation between (the) border forces,” he said.

    The spokesperson said India had asked China to maintain status quo as it was before the incursion.

    A senior official described the five transgressions of April 15: “One was by a light vehicle, another by a heavy vehicle, two by foot and one by the Chinese helicopter. All these trangressions were in different areas but in the same sector.”

    Sources said there were around 400 incursions along the Chinese border last year, 90 per cent of which were in the Ladakh sector. Around 100 incursions have taken place so far this year. “We have increased our vigil in other areas along the border and have asked our men to be alert. The Chinese used to come and ago but this is the first time that they have pitched a tent,” a senior officer said.

    India raised the issue with China last week and summoned Ambassador Wei Wei to South Block. The MEA joint secretary who heads the joint working mechanism to deal with boundary issues from the Indian side spoke to his Chinese counterpart and emphasised the need to resolve the issue.

    However, the Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said on Monday that “China’s frontier troops have been abiding by the... LAC agreed by the two countries... (and) patrolling on China’s side of LAC”.

    To pull back, China wants India to give up its posts - Indian Express Mobile
     
  3. hoatle1

    hoatle1 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    We support India!!!

    China withdraw troops out of neighbor territory ! :angry:
     
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  4. Himanshu Pandey

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    I agree with all of them but they are long term solutions... which I strangely feel has lost the chance to see the day light.

    this is the first intrusion from china which is staying long.... it is like they are testing waters... after 1986 incident we had fought in 1987 and there are chances that this is going to repeat...

    I am sick of our gov. they are most shameless bunch of people who ever got there.... if I had my way I will put all of them with their family, friends and relatives in dungons where they will spend rest of their wothless life.

    I feel a war is coming and its time to take short and quick steps to avoid it or win it... like a express order of 100 MKI which will be delivered in 2 year, express order of 50 more mirage 2000-5 which we can get in few months. order for 2000 arjun tanks and 1000 Bhim guns. then a full order of all the ships we need and purchasing some of the shelf from diffrent friendly nation...

    first we need to put dragon at arms lenght for a decade and they we need to go for a total war and liberate Tibbat and east turkmenistan with capturing gilgit batalistan...

    Asia is too small to have 2 powers next to each other... it we or them who have to go down... and better is that they go down...

    for this we need a govt. who is nationalist, right wing and don't fear wars or avoid them by flag meetings.... its high time and now we need Modi no body else can do this...
     
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  5. ricky123

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    there is no war coming trust me .... this is normal chinese posturing ....china is always agressive everywhere ..this is how they work .... u need to be as aggressive as they r..

    the last thing china wants is a war and that too with india ...cuz even if india doesnt win this war india can give china a bloody nose ....

    india and china both economies are booming right now and any conflict between these 2 nations would put the western countries over the moon... the western countries dont want to deal with china directly ... so shooting the gun using indian shoulders :wink: would work for them .....chinese economy will take a hit for sure with a war with india .. india is not a sitting duck or a small country ....

    so it is very unlikely that china wants a war ... if india increases its troops on the border and shows signs that it is rdy for war .. u will see china backing down very soon ...

    china only wants to see how far they can push india to gain leverage in the border talks ....

    they know india is tryin to build infrastructure on its border and they want to halt those things ....

    thats why they create a conflict and then use that as a leverage .... same with senkaku islands

    they use northkorea to threaten the west and gain leverage on the island row with japan ....

    this is typical chinese strategy .... intimidation is a very effective tool of war
     
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  6. rocky.idf

    rocky.idf BANNED BANNED

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    Valid observation indeed. I also wish to add Indian internal political situation into this. Elections are near. And the govt seems unable to tackle the socio-political upheaval caused by rapes. Not to forget a new Chinese administration is installed. They would like to show themselves strong since strength does matter in Chinese politics.
     
  7. smestarz

    smestarz Lt. Colonel REGISTERED

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    How about calling the Chinese ambassador and tell him "THE ARMY HAS DECIDED TO HAVE SURPRISE LIVE FIRE EXCERCISE IN THAT AREA, since we share that border with you, we just want to intimate you"
     
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  8. Himanshu Pandey

    Himanshu Pandey Don't get mad, get even. STAR MEMBER

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    okk but it means there is no war if we give them liverage over us.... and this is a thing which I oppose.... you can't give away your land just because war is on horizan... no self respecting nation will do this... I want that IA shoot all those 50 chisine as we have all the rights for it and this will teach the chinkies a lesson or war will start and this too will give them a lesson... any step back is a traitor's act IMO.
     
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  9. Rock n Rolla

    Rock n Rolla Lt. Colonel STAR MEMBER

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    That's a good idea, Since there are officially no Chinese soldiers in the area, they can't complain :laugh:
     
  10. ricky123

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    we cant do that ..since the upa has signed border agreements ....with china which india has to follow .... lets say if chinese intrude do u know what india has to do ???? indian soldiers have to run around them at a safe distance waving the indian flag ..telling them this is india territory
     
  11. Manmohan Yadav

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    I 2nd it :D
     
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  12. Rock n Rolla

    Rock n Rolla Lt. Colonel STAR MEMBER

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    Don't you know the Chinese soldiers haven't intruded & aren't on the Indian territory according to Chinese govt, so it won't be a problem, we can shoot these non existent soldiers :mrgreen:
     
  13. omya

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    worst thing is that us,uk n our frndly neighbors feel so happy wen things go wrong here.... thanx to our coward politicians.....
     
  14. smestarz

    smestarz Lt. Colonel REGISTERED

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    YEP and our artillery and soldiers can have all the fun they want to, and even test some new shells such as some which release a gas that stinks like hell.. hahahaha
     
  15. Rock n Rolla

    Rock n Rolla Lt. Colonel STAR MEMBER

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    We must also use these Bhut Jolokia a.k.a Ghost Chilli grenades and see if these chinkis can run all the way to Beijing without stopping :mrgreen:
     
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