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Chinese troops intrude into Indian territory in Ladakh, erect tent post

Discussion in 'International Relations' started by Rock n Rolla, Apr 20, 2013.

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  1. Rock n Rolla

    Rock n Rolla Lt. Colonel STAR MEMBER

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    Well my mom is a congress supporter & dad is diehard communist :hitwall:. Maybe I can convert mom :cheers:
     
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    CountryFirst BANNED BANNED

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    My bro is still signed up with congress. And dismisses me saying modi is violent. But everyone else is convinced. Do your best. Tell your dad that communist is a failed philosophy. And for your mom playthis strategy: "Are you going to vote for a party which is going to keep appeasing the muslims community, which after it becomes majority in Kerala, will kill her own son?? Do you think that's not going to happen??" It worked for mine :)

    For further effect, say that there used to be 30% minority in Pakistan in 1947 and now less than 3%. Something similar in Bangladesh and now just 7%. The 30millions Kashmirir pundits who were evicted after muslims gained majority.
     
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  3. Rock n Rolla

    Rock n Rolla Lt. Colonel STAR MEMBER

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    Yeah maybe that'll work for me too :mrgreen:
     
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    That works. Convince your friends. And tell them to tell their mothers the same thing. Then tell the mothers to convince the dads in the name of saving them :)
     
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  5. Rock n Rolla

    Rock n Rolla Lt. Colonel STAR MEMBER

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    Hehe...maybe we should start an online campaign also :dance3:
     
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    I want to do it but I can't. Please do if you can.
     
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    But be very careful when you talk about the muslims. They're vile, have no brains, sense and completely unpredictable.
     
  8. Rock n Rolla

    Rock n Rolla Lt. Colonel STAR MEMBER

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    Well I can build a website for that purpose, but will someone share the costs. :undecided:
     
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    China’s third confrontation with India’s border build-up

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    An IAF AN-32 landing at Nyoma in Sept 09, activating the crucial landing ground in Ladakh

    By Ajai Shukla
    Business Standard, 26th Apr 13

    China’s intrusion into the Daulat Beg Oldi (DBO) sector, at the northern tip of India just below the towering Karakoram Pass, is a demonstration of anger --- certainly that of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA), and possibly that of Beijing as well --- at the Indian Army’s third surge towards the Sino-Indian border.

    The first Indian move to militarily occupy the Sino-Indian border began after 1957, when New Delhi discovered that China had built a nearly 200-kilometre-long highway through the Aksai Chin, a high altitude desert that abuts Ladakh on the east. Belatedly realizing the need to establish a presence along its claim lines in Ladakh and the North East Frontier Agency (NEFA, now Arunachal Pradesh), New Delhi rushed troops into these unknown areas in what was known as the “Forward Policy”. With the PLA fearing that India was backing a massive Tibetan rebellion, and with that apprehension inflamed by the refuge that New Delhi granted the Dalai Lama India in 1959, the Indian move forward degenerated into war.

    The second Indian move to the border began in 1982. Army chief, General KV Krishna Rao persuaded Prime Minister Indira Gandhi that twenty years of fearful holding back had to end and the Indian Army moved forward again, deploying in strength over the next four years in Tawang and Chushul. In 1986, a Chinese patrol pitched up tents in a disputed area called Wangdung, north of Tawang, triggering a furious Indian Army build up that came close to actual hostilities. China sought a flag meeting; the PLA realized that it was dealing with a very different Indian Army from the one it had whipped in 1962. Diplomatic engagement led to Rajiv Gandhi’s 1988 visit to China. In 1993, Prime Minister Narasimha Rao visited Beijing and signed an “Agreement on the Maintenance of Peace and Tranquility along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in the India-China Border Area,” which maintains a largely peaceful border even today.

    We are now in the middle of the third Indian surge to the border and, like the previous two, it is being contested by China. It began with the raising of two Indian mountain divisions for the defence of Arunachal Pradesh and with the activation of three Sukhoi-30 fighter bases in the Brahmaputra valley. Simultaneously, seven Advanced Landing Grounds (ALGs) in Arunachal were refurbished, permitting their use for forward replenishment and for heliborne operations. Two armoured brigades are currently being raised and a mountain strike corps will begin raising shortly. The improvement of road infrastructure forms a part of this effort.

    In Ladakh, too, India is thickening its presence on the Line of Actual Control (LAC), the de facto border with China. The arrival of 8 Mountain Division in Kargil during the Kargil War freed a full brigade for the LAC. With militancy reducing in Kashmir, another brigade moved out to Chushul. Landing grounds were activated in Nyoma and DBO and roads started coming up to connect isolated posts.

    All this raises China’s hackles. Road building near the LAC, especially in the areas of Chushul-Demchok and a new alignment that will connect DBO, has been steadfastly resisted by the PLA. Chinese patrols objected to new bunkers built by the Indian Army near Chushul several years ago; like today, the PLA retaliated by establishing a camp on India’s side of the LAC, forcing the Indian Army to negotiate a settlement. The current PLA encampment at DBO is again retaliation for Indian Army defences constructed elsewhere.

    The Indian Army has no good options in DBO, unlike in 1986 during the Wangdung intrusion. Then, the army was close to its road head and the helicopter base at Tawang, permitting a massive build up that quickly dominated the Chinese camp. Today India has no surface link to DBO, and the DBO landing ground permits only a limited build up. In contrast the Chinese enjoy a road link to their camp across the wide Depsang Plain. Like in 1962, India’s logistical build up has not kept up with the operational build up. Now there is little option but to negotiate a Chinese withdrawal.

    China has clearly signaled its discomfort with India’s troop build up, submitting a draft proposal for a freeze on troop levels that will solidify and make permanent India’s disadvantage along the LAC. The Ministry of External Affairs (MEA), eager to create “deliverables” that could create an air of success around Chinese Premier Li Keqiang’s visit to India next month, is studying the proposal.

    China’s strategy is evident: to confine Indian strategic attention to the Sino-Indian border, preventing New Delhi from looking beyond at Tibet and Xinjiang, China’s most sensitive pressure points. Beijing apprehends --- with the fearfulness of a state that knows its weaknesses --- that signing a border settlement would free India from the burden of having to continually lay claim to, and physically defend, a challenged border. China realizes that a settlement would change the fundamental nature of the New Delhi-Beijing engagement. No longer a supplicant, India could raise the issue of Tibet, a lead that western democracies would quickly follow.

    So far, India’s military, bureaucracy and political elite have fallen for China’s game, directing their energies into placating China in the hope of a border settlement. Realizing our ill preparedness to defend our territorial claims has created endemic strategic defensiveness. New Delhi remains disinclined to change the game by challenging China on Tibet.

    This remains so despite frequent reminders of China’s vulnerabilities. On Tuesday, 21 people were killed near Kashgar, in Xinjiang, in a violent armed stand off. The anger against Beijing in its restive border regions was again underlined on Wednesday when two Tibetan monks in Sichuan set themselves afire, adding to the gory tally of more than 100 self-immolations since 2011. China has flooded Xinjiang and Tibet with black-suited armed militias, whose members now carry portable fire extinguishers to douse Tibetans who are attempting self-immolation. But there remains widespread resentment at Beijing’s increasingly colonial presence in these areas.

    In contrast, India’s border population along the LAC remains heartwarmingly Indian. In Ladakh, Himachal, Uttarakhand, Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh, despite New Delhi’s inexplicable neglect, pro-India sentiment is high and China is regarded with distrust and suspicion that is constantly reinforced from across the border.

    Broadsword: China?s third confrontation with India?s border build-up
     
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    why not join the party as well
    i will be joining soon
     
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    On second thoughts, there must already be websites like this. Promote them. No need to waste time building one or money.
     
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    I can't. I want to though.
     
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    vote for modi................
     
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    Indian Army pitches again for operational control over ITBP

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    The Chinese incursion across the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Ladakh has stoked an old rift between the Defence Ministry and the Ministry of Home Affairs over the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) guarding the 650-km LAC with China along Jammu and Kashmir.

    South Block mandarins are reiterating their old demand for the 50,000 strong ITBP to be placed under the operational control of the 11.3-lakh strong Indian Army, on the lines of the Assam Rifles that guards the India-Myanmar border.

    In Ladakh, China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) troopers, with two sniffer dogs, had sneaked into the Indian side of the LAC on April 15, unnoticed by ITBP soldiers. They also pitched four tents at Debsang Bulge in the area. The ITBP got to know only 24 hours later, primarily because they are not permanently posted at those locations, and are on patrol only as frequently as possible. It also does not go up to the entire Indian side of the LAC, as much as the Chinese do till theirs, because of the norms set by the China Study Group, a high-level committee with secretaries of Defence, Home and External Affairs apart from the Indian Army Vice Chief as members.

    “The projection, for the ITBP to be under Army’s operational control, has been made several times in the past, but hasn’t met with a positive response from the Home Ministry,” says a Brigadier of the Indian Army. The LAC is “undemarcated” and there are high possibilities of incursions by Chinese troopers, according to Defence Ministry officials. The last three years, till 2012, had witnessed over 600 incidents of PLA transgressions. Besides, the ITBP doesn’t have the expertise to handle confrontations of the kind being witnessed. “In such circumstances, the Army needs to join forces with the ITBP, as the Ladakh Scouts have done this time,” they noted. The ITBP officers refused to comment.

    Since its raising in October 1962 in the aftermath of the bitter Sino-India war that left New Delhi humiliated, the 53 battalions of ITBP have been entrusted with the responsibility of manning around 3,500 km of the 4,057-km of LAC with China. From Karakoram in the Ladakh region of Jammu and Kashmir to Jachep La in Arunachal Pradesh, ITBP mans outposts on the LAC along the Himalayas bordering Tibet and Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand and Sikkim at altitudes ranging from 9,000 feet to 18,600 feet stretching.

    The Indian Army guards only just over 500 km of the LAC, particularly in the North East region. While the Leh-based 14 Corps defends Ladakh against Chinese misadventures, the eastern sector is handled by the Tezpur-based 4 Corps and Dimapur-based 3 Corps. A Lieutenant General of the Army heads the Assam Rifles and its battalions are commanded by Army colonels.

    Indian Army pitches again for operational control over ITBP - The New Indian Express
     
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    Respectfully disagree. Look at chinese actions which speak pouder than words. We will NEVER EVER FORGET the enemy attacked ARUNACHAL PRADESH in 1962 right upto their propaganda claim line. Our soldiers fought to the last man last bullet. Their sacrifice is not in vain and how can we say otherwise??!! Today the enemy forces have 2 lakh soldiers in that sector not there for a picnic but to invade our land, which the enemy says is Chnese and part of qing dynasty occupied Tibet. Only a few years ago their foreign official said that in New Delhi. So the Chinese actually seriously believe in ther own propanda of lies and deceit. We have to hit back and Tibet is the best way.

    As for withdrawing Tibet's status what is wrong with that? We can change our minds because Chinese have demonstrated enmity with this incident as they always have. We do no favors to enemies. We serve them with hard hitting policies.

    As for the great myth of 'Invincible PLA' - our boys handed them their arses time and again at the border. As for 1962 the enemy caught us by surprise in because Chacha Nehru was just putting a few border posts while Mama Meow though we were invading Tibet. We would have if Biggest Boss Sardar Patel were in charge and there would have been no LAC but a peaceful border today.
     
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