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Chinese troops transgress Sikkim-Bhutan-Tibet tri-junction sector in Doka La / Dokalam Area

Discussion in 'International Relations' started by Agent_47, Jun 26, 2017.

  1. An Indian

    An Indian 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    :) We are patient, don't worry. We have the time - we'll wait 100 years if you like. We are ready and will get even better as time goes by.

    Just that issuing so many warnings and doing nothing makes you guys look like fools. Reminds me of the story about the Boy who cried wolf: https://www.storyarts.org/library/aesops/stories/boy.html

    It damages your credibility. While you might decide to act in the future (your decision), your reputation as a possible super-power is already damaged significantly. Take for example Vietnam has restarted Oil Exploration. Expect more countries to take you lightly now.

    Though I'm surprised that you were not prepared for India's response. I would assume you would have thought through all alternatives before embarking on the road construction in Dok La. Does not show PLA's strategic capabilities in good light.
     
  2. An Indian

    An Indian 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    I initially thought I'd stay out of this but...
    @vstol jockey I would support @zebra7 's perspectives. While, yes you would have given your blood - and we respect that. IA, IAF have also equally given their blood. I will grant the IN one thing - they have been at the forefront of indegenization as compared to IA & IAF and have added to the Nation. But having said that, tarring everyone else (who is not IN) with the same brush is unfair. They had their needs / problems and they solved it in their own way.

    They have shown courage (as much courage as IN) in protecting the Nation. Finally, wars are never won with just one arm. We need all three to coordinate. Let's just take '71. Without INs interdiction and actions at Karachi, Chittagong etc., it would have been so much more difficult. But we needed IA to actually capture the physical ground and negotiate the surrender. We needed IAF to dominate the air and degrade the Pak strength.
     
  3. Golden_Rule

    Golden_Rule Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    C'mon, the guillotine is ready :butcher:
     
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  4. Golden_Rule

    Golden_Rule Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    In that case China will lose its prospective autonomous region
     
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  5. sangos

    sangos Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    The Chinese only fight enemies when they are absolutely sure of winning - every child knows this by now. There are three ways they test this:
    A. When they are absolutely stronger than adversary ex. Philippines. Full frontal war. Miscalculated with Vietnam earlier.
    B. When they are not sure of adversary strength ex. Doklam. Psyops and surprise as in 1962 also initially 1967.
    C. When they are weaker than adversary. ex. US. Brinkmanship and always ready to retreat.
    We now have enough lessons of the thieves and cut throats they are to always keep finger on the trigger. As their scaremongering has zero effect on us lot of interesting things will happen now ;)
     
  6. An Indian

    An Indian 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    :)
    You forgot Taiwan!!!!

    [​IMG]
     
  7. Bhoot Pishach

    Bhoot Pishach 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    India is not withdrawing, do whatever China, CCP, PLA, & 11 can do.

    It is the China who has blatantly violated 2012 agreement, of not to unilaterally change position at any TRI-JUNCTION, involving India, China, and a third country.

    Your second violation is CONSTRUCTION OF ROAD ON "DISPUTED" TERRITORY, which is in dispute between BHUTAN & CHINA.

    India is FIRM ON IT'S POSITION - CHINA VACATES THE DISPUTED TERRITORY, AND NO ROAD OR ANY OTHER CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY.

    If China dont want to talk it is their Prerogative. India is clear about this, talk and withdraw, or MEET US IN THE "WRESTLING-RING".

    It is China which has to punish and prosecute "COMMANDER Mr.ZHAO ZONGQI of WESTERN THEATER COMMAND" for Violating an International Agreement, and Pushing China in Confrontation with its Neighbor with which China has SUBSTANTIAL TRADE & FINANCIAL INTERESTS.

    And to punish and prosecute Mr.11 under whose Direct command Mr.Zhao Zongqi operates.

    And the CCP Memebers who ordered Road Construction at TRI-JUNCTION, in a DISPUTED TERRITORY.

    Note:- In China it is punishment of DEATH PENALTY for SABOTAGING "NATIONAL INTEREST and SECURITY.

    AND CHINA COMPENSATES INDIA FOR THIS MEGALOMANIAC BLUNDER BY CONSTRUCTING ROAD IN A DISPUTED TERRITORY AT TRI-JUNCTION, BY PROVIDING "EXCLUSIVE OIL-DRILLING RIGHTS & FREE PASSAGE IN INDO-CHINA SEA (SOUTH CHINA SEA)", ALONG WITH FREE DOCKING RIGHTS AT MAN-MADE ISLANDS.

    You needed reply in the language which "COMMON HAN" understands.

    (to the MODS: This Guy is openly threatening INDIA. Why??? Do you Understand??? Because Since past 2000 years, Chinese Have a Theory, that "China is CENTER OF UNIVERSE", and Emperor is It's protector. All the Other Nations and Citizens other Then the Chinese are "SECOND CLASS" and must OBEY CHINA & CHINESE.

    Though Communists Destroyed all the Culture of China, but they kept alive, for their OWN CONVENIENCE the concept of "MIDDLE KINGDOM", and every Chinese Citizen is fed this Philosophy, that's why you will find Chinese Arrogant to Others.

    This was the reason this guy threatened openly. And this is the reason Why Chinese Threatens all the Countries around the world be it Japan, Korea all SE Asian Countries. Even USA.

    To confirm my Claim you can GOOGLE "Mandarin Zhongguo".

    The only Language the common Chinese Understand is the language of "Authority", if you are polite towards them, they treat it as your weakness.

    Hope you got my point. If you want to edit my Post please Counter this Point.

    And I will like to make it very clear THIS IS NOT A RACIST COMMENT, this is COMMENT ON THE VERY "BASIC PHYSIOLOGY" OF THE COUNTRY, AGAINST WHOM WHOLE WORLD IS DEALING WITH. You cannot communicate unless you understand what is the psychology you are conversing with.)



    P.S.: There are no takers of "MIDDLE KINGDOM" in India. We Indians stands for "WE ALL ARE EQUALS", "WE ALL HUMANS ARE BROTHERS". "VASUDHEV KUTUMBAKAM".
     
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  8. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    The CCP expected India will back off after the rhetoric campaign. They made the mistake of counting their chickens before they hatch. India did not back off, so now the CCP has egg on their face, something they did not expect.

    You will also notice that a lot of the rhetoric has died down.

    China cannot 'seriously' handle the issue either because there is little to no presence of Chinese troops on the border. And mountain warfare is a whole different cup of tea, you don't have troops constantly operating on mountains like we do, which means China has no interest in fighting India.

    This stand off will continue until November. Then the newly elected representatives will start talking about how they have worked it out with India and both will withdraw simultaneously.

    If this does not happen, then India will change claim lines based on historical maps. Two can play at that game. And that's the last thing China wants.
     
  9. surya kiran

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    This is precisely what the US-Japan-India-US-Vietnam grouping is trying to do. Open all fronts. And do a Soviet Union on China. I fail to understand how the mandarins in Beijing do not see this.

    Till date, these guys had a quiet border. I wonder which idiot advised them on this stupid tactical move.
     
  10. lca-fan

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  11. Nilgiri

    Nilgiri Lieutenant GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

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    LOL and now they are all disputing each other, I do feel for the chinese trolls all around, their own govt simply shuts them down. Best part: they can't even vote them in or out....haha

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ort-short-war-theory/articleshow/59958647.cms

    Doklam: China's defence ministry does not support 'short war' theory

    BEIJING: China's defence ministry has distanced itself from discussion in the state backed media about a "small-scale military operation" to remove Indian troops from the disputed Doklam area+ on the Sikkim border.

    "This kind of reports represents the view of the media and think-tanks. For official information please refer to the statements of foreign ministry and defence ministry spokespersons," China's Defence Ministry spokesman Sr. Col. Ren Guoqiang told an Indian media delegation here on Monday.

    He was replying to a question from Indian journalists about recent comments from a Chinese think tank expert, Hu Zhiyong, which were published by the state backed Global Times.

    "China will not allow the military standoff between China and India in Doklam to last for too long, and there may be a small-scale military operation to expel Indian troops within two weeks," Hu, a research fellow at the Institute of International Relations of the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences, was quoted by the paper recently.

    The statement showed that both the defence and foreign ministries were uneasy with the intense pressure being built up by hawkish sections of experts and state backed media because they reduced the flexibility of officials engaged in negotiation.

    The ministry did not send out any fresh threatening signals during a two-hour long interaction with an Indian media delegation. Ren questioned India's refusal to understand China's standpoint on the dispute but did not talk about any military consequences of the standoff which has already crossed 50 days.

    But it struck to the stand expressed by Chinese leaders and officials that Indian troops must withdraw from the disputed spot in Doklam and no one should not underestimate China's resolve to defend its territory.

    "We have all the legitimate rights to construct the road in Chinese territory," Ren said during a two-hour interaction with Indian journalists organized by the All China Journalist Association.

    The standoff took place after China started building a road in an area claimed by Bhutan. Indian troops intervened both because they are present in the area to support Bhutanese troops and also because the Chinese road building would give China a military advantage in the area.

    Ren said China had informed India about the road making plans twice on May 18 and on June 8 but got no response. He did not furnish any evidence about notifying India expect saying that there is a "very mature and stable border exchange mechanism between China and India".

    Asked why China felt the need to inform India if it regarded the area as Chinese territory, Ren said it was done out of goodwill.

    Ren rejected a suggestion from a journalist that China has acquired an image of an expansionist nation owing to its China Pakistan Economic Corridor, which is violating Indian claims over Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, Ren said. "This is not in our genes."

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    Talking about what isn't in their genes.....implying that state-controlled mouth piece basically spout garbage and should not be treated seriously.......and that their think tank is a lying twit :lol:
     
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  12. An Indian

    An Indian 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    @cuibw99 How does it feel to have your nation's thought leaders (that's what Think tanks are supposed to be) called lying twits? And what is worse, there is dissonance between your Think tanks & your Def. Min - which means all your think tanks and state backed media are irrelevant. This also means that you guys are not showing the capacity of being a world-power.

    The fact that PLA did not war game all alternatives before constructing a road says ONE HELL OF A LOT about its capabilities!!!!

    Don't just take our words for it. Check with the Taiwanese, the Vietnamese, the Japanese what they think. I am pretty sure they will say the same. How do you expect the world to take you seriously when you are not in sync internally.
     
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  13. An Indian

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    We're waiting, we're waiting!!! In the meantime all you guys seem to do is talk, talk, talk - Oh, I get it!!! That's your way of fighting. You talk, talk, talk and then retreat.
     
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  14. sangos

    sangos Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    This is what is waiting to happen for the @fools in Beijing

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  15. lca-fan

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    Now expect Emperor 11 Jumping Pig from Pig Dynasty to be booted out of power...........

    @cuibw99 sorry you people don't get rights to vote him in or out it will CCP top bosses but we can vote for Modi again in 2019.......
     
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