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Chinese troops transgress Sikkim-Bhutan-Tibet tri-junction sector in Doka La / Dokalam Area

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  1. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Now we just need more jyotish gyan on this thread. We all can pack up the defence preparedness and use the jyotish gyan to win wars! I mean, talk about absurdities. Should I start with 'Maa Kaali apke satth hai!' to troops at Doka-La and not send them a single bullet as 'rahu-ketu e& company' are in favour?

    Heck, I should just send a DO to all COs with attachment of screenshot. Add a Havan while at it.


    Ever wonder why India was screwed throughout the history?

    1. Bhagya hamarey saath hai. (the local village pandit will make sure that nakshatra were all aligned).

    2. Ham mar jaengey, lekin sir neeche nahin karenge! Ever heard of tactical withdrawal to reap strategic benefit?

    3. Then, of course, how can I forget:

    “Long years ago we made a tryst with destiny, and now the time comes when we shall redeem our pledge, not wholly or in full measure, but very substantially. At the stroke of the midnight hour, when the world sleeps, India will awake to life and freedom. ...."

    Where the hell is the pragmatism of 'working more' and 'speaking less'? When I was a kid, I read India is a developing nation. Fast forward to 2017, it is still a developing nation:facepalm:

    No bloody star or planet is going to save your ass, only you can save it. So can the bullshit of rahu-ketu.
     
  2. Golden_Rule

    Golden_Rule Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Based on the time, date and place of birth and the planetary configuration at that time, the life cycle of an entity runs through Jyotisha periods, sub-periods, sub-sub-periods and sub-sub-sub-periods. Since the planets are constantly in motion, at any point of time in future, the planets would transit from one house to another. As @vstol jockey said, that 18th Aug Rahu is transiting from Leo to Cancer sign and so Ketu transits from Aquarius to Capricorn. Such transits and of all the 9 planets bring changes in the life of an entity.

    What I described from this transit is that there is energy vibrations to the house of gains as well as the dwelling of the country resulting from conflict and war with help of associates and the directions involved are the SE, SW, NE and N. The likely gain is from the N direction, thus a hint to POK recovery.
     
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    Golden_Rule Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Well you can really be or just pretend to be averse to Jyotisha. I am nowhere prescribing for any decisions on defense matters to be based on Jyotisha. Not sure what made you so repulsive? Seems you have little tolerance to anything that you cannot understand.

    Bhagya tumhare saath hai .... that is why you are what you are wrt the rest 1.3b people. But, let's not turn our inherited base-line fortune into arrogance and an ego trip.

    Nothing better can be expected out of a stooge emulating the policies and speech of his master, the British
     
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  4. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Jyotish is a perfect science. I too used to make fun of it till 1993 and once the predictions about my second ejection and subsequent life came true, I decided to learn it. It was always a part of our family traditions but I used to make fun of it due to my military and science background. Once I read and learnt it, I realised how accurate it is and it is based on pure astronomy. It is in fact the mother of astronomy.
    I do not follow it completely or blindly but believe in Karma however this does give an in sight in to the future.
     
  5. lca-fan

    lca-fan Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Army Moves Troops of Sukna-Based 33 Corps to India-China Border

    Chandan Nandy
    Updated: 9 August, 2017 3:39 AM IST

    A bulk of the troops of the Sukna-based 33 Corps have been or are in the process of being moved to the Indo-China frontier in Sikkim even as the controversy over the Doklam plateau at the India-Bhutan-China tri-junction continues to surface from time to time.

    Eastern Command army sources revealed that all three divisions under the 33 Corps, which is stationed in Sukna, near Siliguri in West Bengal, have been deployed on the Sino-Indian border.

    The troop movement from Sukna began about 20-25 days ago. The most important and vital elements of the corps have moved up and taken position in designated "Op Areas".

    The Movement “Has More to Do With Posturing”


    The troops are at varying depths of 20 kms to 500 metres from the India-China border in north and east Sikkim. Some units were given four days' written notice to move to the upper reaches while others have been handed out as little as six hours' notice to move up.

    The deployment, according to sources, is taking place stealthily so as not to attract attention, either at the national or international level. This is being described as a “trickle up” method.

    A corps is made up of three divisions. The number of troops, including combat and noncombat soldiers, is between 30-40,000. The 17th mountain division is stationed in Gangtok anyway.

    While the troop movement began a few days ago, the official information for the deployment was shared with mid-ranking officers on 7 August. The sources said that 60 percent of the corps has moved up to Sikkim as of today, but the movement “has more to do with posturing”.

    Army sources admitted that the deployment is unusual as “it has begun barely two months before the onset of winter in the upper reaches of the Himalayan range bordering China and Bhutan”.

    It is said that the heavy deployment, which comes in the wake of substantial Indian troop (non-threatening in nature) build-up immediately after the Doklam issue burst on the international scene, is in response to heightened and quick construction of bunkers and other military fortifications by the PLA in Tibet over the past few weeks.


    One of the Longest Standoffs in Indo-China History ::

    Sources, however, disclosed that nearly three months after Indian troops prevented a contingent of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) from restarting work on constructing a road in Doklam or Doka La or Donglang as the Chinese prefer to call the area near the trijunction, about 150-200 soldiers of both armies remain at the flashpoint zone.

    Since the controversy erupted in June, India has claimed that Doklam is an integral part of Bhutan. However, China has said that the plateau region, which is located barely 7 kms east of Kuppup in east Sikkim, belongs to it.

    Beijing has repeatedly sought the “immediate and unconditional” withdrawal of the Indian troops from Doklam before any meaningful talks could begin to resolve the thorny issue.

    The standoff, one of the longest in the history of confrontations between the Indian Army and the PLA, is nowhere close to being resolved even after National Security Adviser Ajit Doval’s visit to Beijing last month, where he met his counterpart State Councilor Yang Jiechi on the sidelines of a BRICS nations’ meeting.

    Soon after the Doval-Jiechi meeting, Beijing issued a statement saying that troops’ presence had been drastically reduced in Doklam, claiming, however, that India had been “notified in advance (of the PLA’s) plans to build a road in Doklam”.

    In a subsequent lengthy statement, Beijing said that “as a third party, India has no right to interfere in or impede the boundary talks between China and Bhutan, still less the right make territorial claims on Bhutan’s behalf.”

    The statement added, “India’s intrusion into the Chinese territory under the pretext of Bhutan has not only violated China’s territorial sovereignty, but also challenged Bhutan’s sovereignty and independence.”

    The 15-page statement and “factsheet” accused India of “illegal trespass” in Doklam.

    “Both Indian and Chinese soldiers are using umbrellas to shield themselves from the rain even as they have formed a chain holding hands to continue to make their presence felt in Doklam,” an army source said, refusing to disclose the names of the specific regimental units while revealing that artillery and infantry battalions are part of the massive deployment across east and north Sikkim.

    https://www.thequint.com/india/2017/08/08/army-moves-troops-to-india-china-border
     
  6. nik141993

    nik141993 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    @Hellfire what the hell is going on are chinese going to attack because my grandmother home is just 25 km from the border.... Should i warn her so she could prepare to take on fleeing PLA troop's with her Axe lol
     
  7. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Nothing will happen on the ground until and unless the Chinese are actually foolish to start something. We have upped our defensive posturing - aka offensive defence being the new operative word.

    The Geography is such that we will be able to cut off their troops in case of major action quite easily.
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Make a thread and discuss there .. no one stops you. But don't add it here.

    Right. Make a thread on jyotish vigyan .. and post there. No one stops.
     
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  9. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I did post a Jyotish angle to this conflict and I was myself debating in my mind if this is the correct thread to post it. But decided to go ahead and post it as this concerned this very battle situation.
     
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    lca-fan Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    @Hellfire @vstol jockey

    How come this movement of troops disclosed to the media by 'source' isn't this sensitive info ? Or is it PSYOP?
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    PsyOps.
     
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    lca-fan Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    I just found out that the Quint is being run by BURKHA BUTT. :hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:

    Is she again up to what she had been doing disclosing Army positions leading to casualties? If so she should be behind bars immediately for this report..........
     
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    lca-fan Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    China standoff: Defence ministry wants extra Rs 20,000 crore budget to be battle-ready
    The demand for additional money comes at a time when the face-off between Indian and Chinese troops in Doklam in Bhutan has entered the 8th week and the borders with Pakistan remain unusually active.
    Sudhi Ranjan Sen | Edited by Nivedita Dash
    New Delhi, August 8, 2017 | UPDATED 22:24 IST
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      Rs 2,74,113 crore was allocated for defence sector.

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      Ministry of Defence wants Rs 20,000 crore more.

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      A CAG report recently showed Army running short of ammunition.
    The Ministry of Defence has sought an additional Rs 20,000 crore from the Centre to meet its capital and revenue budget needs.

    The demand for additional money comes at a time when the face-off between Indian and Chinese troops in Doklam in Bhutan has entered the 8th week and the borders with Pakistan remain unusually active.

    In 2017, the Government had allocated Rs 2,74,113 crore - about 1.62 per cent of the Gross Domestic Product - for defence sector. The annual allocation for defence in 2017 was just 6 per cent more than the previous years.


    "Of the initial annual allocation about 50 per cent of Capital and more than one third of the Revenue budget has already been spent," Defence Ministry sources told India Today.

    A few weeks earlier, the Defence Ministry had allowed the Vice-Chief of Army Staff to make emergency purchases of ammunition, mines and spares that are considered crucial for war fighting. Delegating financial powers to the army was done to cut the red-tape and speed up purchases.

    The Indian Army is required to be battle-ready to fight a 10-day short intense war. There are, however, gaps and Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) of India too have raised the issue of shortage of ammunition and spares.

    Early this year the custom duty exemption for imports made by the Defence Ministry was removed. "The ministry have had to pay large amount as customs duty," a source said. The decision to remove the custom duty exemption was taken give a level playing field to domestic defence manufacturers.
    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...e-ministry-budget-battle-ready/1/1021618.html
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    50% of CAPEX buget gone within 4 months of the start of the FY?
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    It is posturing, as the article itself has claimed.

    However, it is not a great deal. The movement of troops into Sikkim occurs primarily along two axes. So, everyone and their dog will know if the army is moving up. It would indeed be foolish to assume that critical information is being leaked - it is not.

    All troops being inducted are being properly acclimatised and those who have been found at variance to normal, are being screened out. This will ensure reduction in 'non-op casualties'.

    Additionally, not all troops are either meant for Sikkim, or being moved up into Sikkim. They are going to their 'designated' operational areas. Refer general map given earlier to understand the probable deployments.
     
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