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Chinese troops transgress Sikkim-Bhutan-Tibet tri-junction sector in Doka La / Dokalam Area

Discussion in 'International Relations' started by Agent_47, Jun 26, 2017.

  1. Notsuperstitious

    Notsuperstitious 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    You are ignoring an importabt factor in Nepal - the very poor quality of their politics. The demographics are such that there is racism involved and no matter what we do we can not fix it. I have lived in Nepal and let me tell you they are a fragmented society, ethnically and politically. Also very poor and unbelievably corrupt. There will always be people stoking racism, crying hegemony and accusing madhesis of treason. They will have to mature, but for a country not yet final on conatitution, you can imagine how far that road is.

    Given this, Indias best policy would be to play good cop bad cop for now, either by using our own 'split personality' or by using foreign tag team partners like japan, US etc.
     
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    Vyom Captain IDF NewBie

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    Lol, better than mine, why you get to kill and send people to mass prisons and then sell their organs in trade, or what drive tanks on students.... Imagine if I drive tanks on communists, the sound of crushing Chinese communist skulls is music...

    Why did mao kill 60 Million ? for fun didn't he.. ? you blood thirsty killers have built a great society..? lol...
     
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    There is an ITBP base camp, just 7 KM from this area.
     
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    If we enter India, it will be chaos, says Chinese foreign ministry

    China on Tuesday said there will be "utter chaos" if its troops entered India on the pretext that Indian border infrastructure posed a threat to Beijing.

    The Chinese Foreign Ministry said India's logic that Chinese road building in Doklam on the border posed a threat to New Delhi was "ridiculous and vicious".

    It said China would in no way allow any country or individual to infringe upon its territorial sovereignty.

    "The Indian side illegally crossed the ...

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  9. lca-fan

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    China woos Bhutan with $10 billion in standoff with India
    Beijing seen driving wedge in New Delhi-Thimphu alliance

    YUJI KURONUMA, Nikkei staff writer

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    NEW DELHI -- Locked in a two-month border standoff with India and tiny Bhutan in the Himalayas, China is offering its little neighbor $10 billion in economic assistance to soften its stance.

    Sources say that since the offer, Bhutan has toned down its allegations that China is violating its territorial claims.



    The development complicates Bhutan's relations with India, which blocked Chinese troops after Bhutan, -- a long-time security ally of India's -- notified New Delhi that the troops were attempting to construct a road in a part of the Doklam Plateau claimed by both China and Bhutan.

    India and China have accused each other of violating the border, with troops from both countries in a face-off since June. Winning over Bhutan would lend more credence to their claims, and it appears Beijing's overture is having the desired effect. Speaking to Indian reporters earlier this month, a Chinese diplomat said that Bhutan clearly acknowledged to Beijing that the area where Indian troops entered is not part of Bhutan.

    If the claim is correct, it would signal a weakening of ties between India and Bhutan.

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    Although a Bhutanese government official immediately issued a denial to Indian media, New Delhi remains unconvinced. A government source told the Nikkei early this month that China's $10 billion package -- which includes a grant, low-interest loans and direct investment -- is tempting Bhutan.

    When External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj met with her Bhutanese counterpart, Damcho Dorji, on Aug. 11 on the sidelines of a regional meeting, she told Dorji not to be betrayed by China, asking further that Bhutan retain its alliance with India. Dorji, however, only said that he hoped the standoff would be resolved peacefully and amicably, refraining from any comment that would provoke China.

    In June, Bhutan's foreign ministry blasted China, saying that the construction work violates an agreement between the two countries.

    The Chinese government-backed tabloid Global Times later ran an editorial referencing Dorji's comment and stating that Bhutan clearly wants to maintain neutral in its criticism of India.

    China is wooing Bhutan in order to validate its presence in Doklam. India sent troops only after Bhutan claimed that China had started construction work in Bhutanese territory. Beijing hopes Bhutan will relinquish its claim to the disputed area, thereby obviating the need for Indian troops, which would then be violating Chinese territory.
    https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Ec...Bhutan-with-10-billion-in-standoff-with-India

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    Beijing is fashioning water into a political weapon by denying India flood-related hydrological data since May, even as major flooding has hit the region from Assam to Uttar Pradesh. Data on upstream river flows is essential for flood forecasting and warning in order to save lives and reduce material losses. China’s data denial crimps flash flood modelling in India.
    ANALYSIS Updated: Aug 21, 2017 19:14 IST


    Tibet, a treasure-trove of natural resources, including water and precious metals, is a great strategic asset for China in its pursuit of an often improvident style of economic growth. The sprawling Tibetan plateau also arms Beijing with water leverage over downstream countries because it is the starting point for most of Asia’s great rivers, many of which are being heavily dammed just before they cross into neighbouring nations.

    China is sharpening its leverage with co-riparian India. Water indeed has emerged as a new divide in Sino-Indian relations, as Beijing quietly and opaquely builds dams, barrages and other structures on rivers flowing to India. It spurned then Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s 2013 proposal that the two countries enter into a water treaty or establish an intergovernmental institution to define mutual rights and responsibilities on shared rivers. The flash floods that ravaged Himachal Pradesh and Arunachal Pradesh between 2000 and 2005 were linked to the unannounced releases from rain-swollen Chinese dams and barrages.

    At a time when the Doklam face-off has entered its third month and the risk of a Chinese military attack on India is growing, there is more troubling news: Beijing is fashioning water into a political weapon by denying India flood-related hydrological data since May, even as major flooding has hit the region from Assam to Uttar Pradesh. Data on upstream river flows is essential for flood forecasting and warning in order to save lives and reduce material losses. China’s data denial crimps flash flood modelling in India.

    By embarking on a dangerous game of water poker, Beijing has demonstrated how the denial of hydrological data in the critically important monsoon season amounts to the use of water as a political tool against a downstream country. Indeed, even while supplying data in past years, China’s lack of transparency raised questions. After all, like rice traded on the world market, hydrological data comes in different grades and qualities — from good, reliable data to inferior data and broken data.


    http://www.hindustantimes.com/analy...ar-on-india/story-6jqgabEffcatPFzJ6fQ6eJ.html

     
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    satellites can & do provide better data on any river on earth ..................
     
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    Govt. gives Army free hand to mobilise troops against China. Air Force asked to remain ready
    Friday, August 25, 2017 By: Assam Tribune Source Link: CLICK HERE
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    Though India is not apprehending any war amidst the standoff with China in Doka-La area, the Prime Minister has given a free hand to the forces to mobilise and the Indian Air Force has been asked to remain as stand-by to deal with any eventuality.

    Highly placed security sources told The Assam Tribune that the free hand given to the forces to mobilise is just a precautionary measure so that the forces can stay ready to defend the country’s territory wherever required.

    The Government of India is of the view that China may try to create minor troubles in different parts of the international border like the minor scuffle that took place in Ladakh area on August 15, but at present, India is not apprehending a war.

    Sources said that the Indian Army has also told the Prime Minister that the Indian forces are fully capable of holding ground in Doka-La area. “If the Indian Army can control Siachen for so many years in a much hostile climatic condition, there is no reason why we cannot control Doka-La,” the Army officers reportedly assured the Prime Minister.

    Sources further pointed out that at present, India is in a much advantageous position in Doka-La area as Indian troop mobilisation is much nearer to the area and China would have to go much deeper to bring in troops in case of any eventuality. At the same time, sources said that after October, when snowfall starts in the area, both sides would find it difficult to stay put in Doka-La.

    Security sources further said that China may keep the standoff on till October as the President of the country Xi Jinping is seeking re-election and after the election, there is every possibility of the standoff coming to an end. Moreover, it is apparent that China was not apprehending resistance from India and now “they are issuing rhetorical statements through the state controlled media.”

    However, at the same time, sources admitted that control over the Doka-La area would not only allow China to gain a strong foothold in Bhutan, but it would also give the neighbouring country access to the narrow corridor connecting the Northeast region with the rest of the country and the Government of India is fully aware of the situation and decided to maintain a tough stand on the issue.

    http://www.defencenews.in/article/G...-China-Air-Force-asked-to-remain-ready-283877
     
  13. Pundrick

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    Our media is behaving like Pakistani media, lets just avoid posting such useless articles with meaningless title.

    One incident and they'll connect it with China, coz the border standoff is going on.
     
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    New Delhi has asked the Indian Navy to silently spread its influence and further strengthen its grip over the Indian Ocean Region.

    As countries like Bangladesh, Myanmar, Vietnam and Thailand keenly watch the outcome of the standoff at the Doklam in Bhutan between the Indian and Chinese armies; New Delhi has tasked the Indian Navy to silently spread its influence and further strengthen its grip over the Indian Ocean Region.

    Besides, the immediate security concern, India's stand on Doklam is also influenced by the message the outcome of stand-off will send to these neighbouring countries.

    For the last two and half months Indian and Chinese troops are engaged in face-off at the Doklam plateau in Bhutan. China wants to construct a road through the plateau. India objects to the road and has deployed army.

    A LARGE-MULTI-LATERAL EXERCISE OF INDIAN OCEAN LITTORAL COUNTRIES

    For the first time ever Bangladesh - which now heads the Indian Ocean Naval Symposium (IONS) - with the help of India will be organising a large Naval exercise involving over a dozen countries.

    The IONS is an India initiative to increase maritime cooperation among navies of the littoral states of the Indian Ocean Region. The IONS was conceived by the UPA government to get "friendly" navies of the region together to counter the increased aggressiveness of China in the Indian Ocean region.

    The exercise - likely to see participation from over a dozen countries - is likely to be held in the Bay of Bengal. The IONS platform had become dormant in the past-few years, "we have decided to revitalize the platform," a senior Ministry of Defence official told India Today and added "a large exercise with the participation of several littoral countries sends a tacit but a clear message."

    REACHING OUT TO THE NEIGHBOURS

    While China has been reaching out with big bucks, India has decided to take a more benign approach. Indian Navy is launching the Sambandh initiative - Naval officers and cadets from smaller countries that do not have big navies will now be welcome aboard INS Vikramaditya -India's aircraft carrier- Kolkatta class destroyer- the state of the art stealth guided missile destroyer - INS Kalvari - Scorpene Class diesel- electric submarine etc.

    "Cadets and officers of smaller navies will get flavour of blue-water navy and how big navies are organised," a senior officer said. Cadets and officers from countries like Bangladesh, Kenya, Oman, Tanzania, Malaysia, Thailand and Vietnam etc will soon be on these platforms. South Block has already given its clearance to the initiative.

    MOBILE TRAINING TEAM

    Apart from the Sambandh initiate, the Indian Navy is reaching out to the neighbourhood extending his training out-reach programme. Training teams of the Indian Navy will now be going to neighbouring countries.

    "Many countries aren't able to send their officers, cadets to a foreign country for training, this initiative will plug that gap," a senior officer said.

    Each Mobile Training Team (MTT) will comprise 8 to 10 officers and can train more of officers at their home bases the officer added. Bangladesh has already asked India to set-up its submarine naval training school.

    Earlier, India had trained a group of its submarine cadets at the Visakhapatnam based INS Satavahana. The Navy has been approached by the countries Thailand, Sri Lanka, Myanmar for MTT.

    MORE PERMANENT DEPLOYMENT OF INDIAN WARSHIPS

    Indian Naval warships will now be permanently deployed at the Malacca Straits -the crucial strait connecting the Indian Ocean, the Pacific Ocean linking major Asian economies such as India, China, Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea- and Indian warships will be more visible at Sunda Straits - a crucial passage that connects the Indian Ocean to Eastern Asia.

    About 70 per cent of the global trade by value passes through the Malacca and Sunda Straits.


    Source : http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...hutan-indian-navy-indian-ocean/1/1032885.html
     
  15. InfoWarrior

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    All of this trouble is because Indian elites failed to develop India economically. If Indian policy makers had built some industry, India would have been a 5 billion economy. And China would have been just a 8 billion dollar economy. Threat of boycott Chinese goods by a 5 billion dollar economy would have put Chinese in their place. But Our elites and policy makers have failed us, Today India is just 2.3 billion economy and China is 11.2 billion economy.

    Let me show how USA put China in its place...

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    Our Indian elites failed to setup any industry or create jobs... China exports 2.3 trillion worth of goods. India has 400 million youngsters, but India can't even capture 10% of this economic pie. Indian scientific and technological and entrepreneurs have failed to create jobs for its youth.

    Similarly Africa lags behind India. I think this is a racial thing. But this is a era of technology. Why not introduce DNA of successful innovators and industrialists, and scientists etc into our gene pool.
     
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