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Chinese troops transgress Sikkim-Bhutan-Tibet tri-junction sector in Doka La / Dokalam Area

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    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ce-off-site/articleshow/60262735.cms?from=mdr

    Doklam row: China removes road-building equipment from face-off site

    Indrani Bagchi| TNN | Aug 28, 2017, 20:33 IST
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    • MEA on Monday said that “expeditious disengagement of border personnel at the face-off site at Doklam was on-going.”
    • In a second statement at the end of the day, MEA confirmed that both sides had moved out “under verification.”
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    NEW DELHI: In a diplomatic victory, India and China have agreed to "disengage" from the stand-off in Doklam on Bhutanese territory.

    After almost 10 weeks of sustained negotiations between top level Indian and Chinese officials, MEA on Monday said "expeditious disengagement of border personnel at the face-off site at Doklam has been agreed to and is on-going."

    By the end of the day, as Indian troops withdrew to their post at Doka La, Chinese troops and their road-building equipment too were removed from the face-off site. The standoff has been on since June 16 when Indian troops physically stopped the PLA from building a road on Doklam plateau. In a second statement at the end of the day, MEA confirmed that both sides had moved out "under verification."

    The negotiations were conducted at various levels — first, during the visit by NSA, Ajit Doval to China in July, where he held discussions with his counterpart Yang Jiechi. Foreign secretary S. Jaishankar led the diplomatic talks with the Chinese side helped by India's ambassador to China Vijay Gokhale, who worked ceaselessly with the Chinese government over the last couple of months to achieve an outcome that would be acceptable to both sides.

    The MEA spokesperson said that in numerous meetings between the Indian and Chinese officials in the past couple of months, India has been successful in conveying its "concerns and interests." "In recent weeks, India and China have maintained diplomatic communication in respect of the incident at Doklam. During these communications, we were able to express our views and convey our concerns and interests."

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    The disengagement comes ahead of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to China for the BRICS summit. It also comes before a crucial 19th party congress in China where Xi Jinping expects to be "cleared" for another five years and he will choose the core group of leaders who will rule China for the next five years.

    The Indians went in with some demands:

    • That China should not change the ground realities unilaterally.
    • That China should respect the the 2012 understanding on tri-junctions.

    This was detailed by Sushma Swaraj in parliament where she said, "Point 13 of the common understanding states that "The tri-junction boundary points between India, China and third countries will be finalised in consultation with the concerned countries." Since 2012, we have not held any discussion on the tri-junction with Bhutan. The Chinese action in the Doklam area is therefore of concern."

    While China was breathing fire in the public domain, during the negotiations, sources said, India held the line that bilateral relations would be affected if China did not ensure "peace and tranquillity" on the border. This could happen only if there was a reversal to the status quo. The two sides only came to an understanding after continued conversations and a realisation in China that India would not move from the ground until they withdrew.
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    In addition, India also provided China with a face-saving exit. China's initial response on Monday morning was to confine itself to saying that only Indian troops had withdrawn from the site, and that they would continue to "maintain sovereignty"on the Doklam plateau. India did not contest this publicly until in the afternoon, when a second Indian statement clarified that both sides had withdrawn "under verification."

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    !!! ABBH AYA UHAANTH PHAAR KA NECHA
    SO AT LAST THE CHINESE HAVE LAYED DOWN THEIR ARMS IN FRONT OF INDIA, AND HAVE NOT ONLY REMOVED THEIR TROOPS BUT ALSO THEIR ROAD BUILDING EQUIPMENTS FROM FACE-... Read MoreAjay Varma


    Top level sources also clarified that India had not asked either the US or Russia to intervene on its behalf. While Russia maintained a studied silence, the US made a general statement calling for peaceful negotiations. It was only Japan which issued a detailed statement on the Doklam issue largely taking the Indian point of view.




    What is not yet clear is whether this disengagement would lead to boundary negotiations between India and China in the coming months. There have been no boundary negotiations for some years.


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    China declare that it will patroll in donglang area clearly,but india or bhutan dare not to declare that ..that's the differences..but I dont call this as china's victory..if china build the road again and india ignore it ,that can be seen as china's victory..but if china never build the road ,that's india's victory ..so this stand-off dont end..BBC's report is neutral..http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41070767
    One question remains - will the road that started this dispute now be built or abandoned?
     
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    Chinese dragon now.:cheesy::cheesy:
     
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    Our objective was never to intervene in Chinese territory but to stop the construction of road which China agreed to, and yes our media did report that PLA will patrol the area.
     
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    All parties are allowed to patrol the area until or unless all concerned parties finalize their actual boundaries. Also, It is a condition there that china will not construct any infrastructure in that region.
    So, if china tried to build any infrastructure forcefully than IA will be there to buzz-off the dragon's fire.

    so, BEWARE.... cowboy pistol
     
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    We don't care you patrol it or not. Both sides agreed to allow it in the disputed area according to the 1992 agreement. That agreement specifically asks not to alter the status quo. Which you did and we intervened.

    Chinese home audience who don't know any background are happy with patrolling the area. You saved the face we achieved our objective.
     
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    for the past two months china has been spitting up in the air and now all of it has fallen back on its face :dumbhorse::dumbhorse:
     
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    Declaring they will patrol is fooling the own public, they already did that before and since it is not indian territory we have no objection. This statement is not "dare" but a complete embarrassment that after so much bravado and chest thumping and even after declaring no talks without withdrawal they basically sucked it all up.


    As far as road goes, you can build a road, an airport, a shopping mall whatever you wish in your country but when it comes closer to indian border and there is some agreement on mutual understand before any infrastructure build up you will follow the rules. It is not limited to china even India has to follow same and there has been many incidents in past where you built something against rules and we destroyed it and so did you when we built something against rules.


    The border is very long and at different locations there is different understanding and both follow the same, single rule does not apply to everywhere. Therefore your FO statement on Indian approval of road in Pangong lake was pure bullshit and if someone was aware of ground rules they would have humiliated that lady in front of whole world.


    Many users also think India went in for Bhutan sovereignty which is not entirely true, we went in there for unilateral change a in status quo of trilateral border point understanding. "Unilateral" being the operative word, what it means (AFAIK) is you can construct a road in Doklam provided all three party agree to it, the size and type of it and again it applies to both India and China and even Bhutan.


    What could happen in Doklam regarding to road?
    Well if India and Bhutan agree you can build a road there as per previous understanding. The reason is if you build a road that can ferry a tank it will obviously have security problems for both Bhutan and India against the good will that no party in that area even point a gun towards others. The rules of engagement are very strict and in such a case of you built a road that can carry a tank a one morning we wake up with you standing with multiple tanks is it not against the spirit of previous understanding and stabbing in back?

    If we were to enemy and there no rules like that and all we do is shoot at each other like with Pakistan your road building activities were normal but in this case it will seriously endanger the peace at border.

    You can still try to build a road there and we will still intervene if it is against the established practice that made that area peaceful. So either don't come to any understanding with others for peace or when you do just honour your words otherwise we will have problems.
     
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    Its time now to stop 'monkey thumping'. Both countries now realize that it is 'monkey fooling' to have an undemarcated border. So this incident must serve as a lesson to settle the border and all related issues like Tibet etc. These should be the talking points:

    1. Declare the current LAC as the final border ie we keep Arunachal and they keep Aksai.

    2. Repatriate HH Dalai Lama and followers to their rightful place of honor in Tibet. HH must return to his seat in Potala Palace, Lhasa with full guarantees.

    3. Subject to #2. we will allow access to Tibetans to the Tawang monastery and all other holy places like Bodh Gaya.

    4. We will have access to Mansarovar/Kailash.

    To make an offer the Chinese cannot refuse we will join the BRI project and allow trade access through the settled border. The condition we have - STOP CPEC in poK!
     
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