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Christianity and Impact of westernization on Indian culture

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  1. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    As far as Christiany is concerned it makes more sense the holy cows and worshiping rats Hinduism: Rat worship in India - YouTube though to be honest most religions dont make a lot of sense to me including Christanty, but I am not against it as religion as it seems to bring a lot of comfort to many people. I am starting to have a problem with Islam as it seems the religous types do a lot of killing.
     
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    As far as India haveing the most software engineers in the world where do you all get that stuff.
    India

    There has been a healthy growth in the number of India's IT professionals over the past few years. From a base of 6,800 knowledge workers in 1985-86, the number increased to 522,000 software and services professionals by the end of 2001-02. It is estimated that out of these 522,000 knowledge workers, almost 170,000 are working in the IT software and services export industry; nearly 106,000 are working in the IT enabled services and over 220,000 in user organizations.[2]
    United States

    About 1 out of every 200 workers is a software engineer. There are 55% to 60% as many software engineers as all traditional engineers. In 2002, software engineering had 612,000 practitioners; 264,790 managers, 16,495 educators, and 457,320 programmers.
     
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    Worshipping rats or any animals is part of hinduism and we are proud of that. It is million times better than killing the snakes and amusing your children with the agony of dying snakes as is done in US of A.

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    THE REAL TRIBALS

    Each spring, the small city of Sweetwater, Texas, hosts what it bills as the world's largest rattlesnake roundup. Over three days, snake hunters bring in their catches (to make $5 a pound) and spectators gawk at the writhing, bloody spectacle.

    Here, a group of children peer into the window of a holding pit containing thousands of rattlesnakes. None of the snakes will survive the Roundup—they will be decapitated, then skinned.
     
  5. Picard

    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    It might be done for fun, or have a real purpose... how large rattlesnake population is there?
     
  6. Himanshu Pandey

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    foir worshipping the animals... the christianity too had done this in the starting, when it was more near to Jews, Buddha and hindu religion..
    it is after constentine when church got it powers and stopped a lot of older practices and declared them as hearsy... more then that the Pegans worshipped the animals and egyptians and Persians too. Chinise and Japanese still do...

    the worship or respect of animals in Hindu religion is based on that humans are not the only owners of Earth and we need to be respectful to other living beings too... not a thing on which we are ashamed but we are proud on it an anything is better then claiming that world is made in 6 days and all humans are children of Adam and EVE...

    Makes everybody relative to everybody and remove some billion years and millions animals before humans came into existance...

    So when anybody here want to have a fun on Hinduism or any other Indian religion just check your own abrahmic religion is it based on science and facts or just the bed time stories are there...

    for each and every activity in any Indian religion I can provide scientific explanation can anybody else do it..

    For the start... lets give me a explanation of world made in days and why the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve married each other as they were the only human beings...

    I am frustated with people who have no knowledge and wants to claim they know all..
     
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    I believe in God, but dont have much faith in religion and I have no reason to believe any one knows more then I do about what is real or not real.
     
  8. Himanshu Pandey

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    Just one suggession for you I am not against any religion and you would have seen that in my posts but anybody against my religion or making a joke of it is not a comfortable one for me...

    So don't use negative against Hindus otherwise I am much better in foul things..
     
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    I use not to be against any religon, but Islam seems to be changing my mind, you will note i was responding to some one critcism of christanity.
     
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    then it fine with me. let peace prevails
     
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    For Christians, Vietnam war rages

    Vietnam’s “hidden” war on Christianity just rumbles along, and on March 13, the communist authorities demolished one of the first Christian churches built in Vietnam’s Central Highlands. While religious persecution is nothing new to Vietnam, the significance of this demolition is particularly symbolic because the church was more than a historical landmark. The large stone Church at Buon Ma Thuot for the last 34 years had been deliberately closed by Vietnam’s security police, and yet, all those years, the church remained a powerful symbol to the local indigenous Christians.

    Unfortunately, the church was also an unwelcome reminder for the communists who had murdered a number of Christian missionaries near the grounds in 1968, and a reminder of the very movement the government is trying to eliminate. This movement, so hated by Hanoi, is nothing other than “independent” Christian house churches.

    Thus, in the dead of night, with security forces keeping watch, heavy machinery came and brought the historic church toppling down. Word of this spread, and in mourning the loss on May 1, some 90,000 Degar Montagnards from 375 villages stopped everything and prayed for three days and nights. Security forces responded by making dozens of arrests of these tribal Christians, threatening them to cease their religious activities.

    This repression against Christians in Vietnam is decades old, and it was in 2004 that the U.S. State Department first added Vietnam to the “Country of Particular Concern” (CPC) designation, the official “watch list” of nations that commit serious religious persecution. Potentially, CPC designation involves sanctions being imposed on such countries. However, after negotiations with Hanoi, the CPC designation was removed as the communist authorities “promised” to undertake religious reforms, including stopping forced renunciations of faith, an actual policy directed against tribal Christians.

    Today, however, the question remains whether Vietnam everintended to honor such reforms and whether the State Department conveniently accepted Hanoi’s dubious promises in order to gain trade, military and diplomatic relations. If the State Department did so, it is clear the Degar Montagnards - who were America’s loyal allies during the Vietnam War - have been relegated to little or no importance. U.S. Ambassador to Vietnam Michael W. Michalak recently rejected calls by the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) to put Vietnam back on the CPC watch list. He cited that there was not enough evidence of religious persecution.

    Yet we know the European Parliament confirmed a Degar Montagnard woman named “Puih Hbat” was arrested in April 2008 for leading prayer services in her house. Not only did the Europeans confirm that this woman had been sentenced to five years imprisonment for this “crime,” but also that this very information had been given to them by U.S. Embassy officials. “Puih Hbat” is a 42-year-old mother of five children, and her family fears that she may have been killed in custody.

    It wouldn’t be the first Degar Montagnard killed by Vietnam’s security forces, and it wouldn’t be the first such killing acknowledged by the State Department. In fact, the State Department has confirmed the killings of Degar Montagnards such as “Y Ngo Adrong” in 2006 and “Y Ben Hdok” in 2008. They also reported that killings of tribal Christians by Vietnam’s security forces on Easter 2004 reached casualty figures at least in “double digit figures.”

    If the imprisonment of “Puih Hbat” and the above killings are not evidence of persecution, what then of the hundreds of confirmed Degar Montagnards now rotting in Vietnam’s jails? Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the USCIRF all report that hundreds of Montagnards are currently imprisoned under Vietnam’s authoritarian laws. These laws are vaguely defined as crimes of “undermining state unity,” which, in reality, means the Degar Montagnards were imprisoned for crimes relating to religious freedom and free speech.

    The evidence today suggests that not only is religious persecution continuing in Vietnam, but also that Hanoi has merely changed tactics in persecuting Christians. Since being dropped from the CPC designation in 2006, hundreds - if not thousands - of Degar Christians have been arrested, beaten and threatened in what appears a policy to repress the house churches from expanding membership. It is estimated that during the past decade, Protestant congregations have grown 600 percent in Vietnam, a statistic that has greatly alarmed communist officials.

    Today, “forced renunciations” have been replaced by control mechanisms - namely, torture, beatings, imprisonment and killings. Instead of forcing Christians to renounce their faith, Vietnamese authorities force Degar Montagnards to join “government-approved” churches, such as the Evangelical Church of Vietnam - South (ECVN-S), where Christians can be watched, controlled and, if need be, arrested and imprisoned like “Puih Hbat.” In other words, “You can be a Christian, but you must be ourChristian.”

    Persecution is nothing new to the Degar Montagnards, and when the Vietnam War ended, the communists unleashed a brutal revenge against them that reads like a blueprint for ethnic cleansing. It started with the execution and imprisonment of their leaders and pastors. The Degar Montagnards were also subjected to forced relocations and driven off their ancestral lands. Today, they have been pushed into a life of poverty, and their once-great forests virtually clear-felled by logging companies. In the words of Human Rights Watch, “The Montagnards have been repressed for decades.”

    The Vietnam War saw an estimated 40,000 Degar Montagnards serving with American forces at any one time, and by the end of the conflict, some 200,000 of these people, a quarter of their population, had perished. The late Ed Sprague, former U.S. Special Forces soldier and Foreign Service officer, who served with the Montagnards for seven years, summed up their role stating, “There was a dual love - we loved them and they loved us, and they saved a lot of American lives.”

    In Washington today, however, the Degar Montagnards have been conveniently forgotten. The historical role they played in the Vietnam War, their sacrifice and their loyalty to the United States are practically unheard of. Only a few members of Congress have ever raised their issue, and the Obama administration seems about as interested today in hearing about Degar Montagnards as the communists are in Hanoi.

    On June 8, the United States and Vietnam held a joint “Political, Security and Defense Dialogue,” and Acting Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs Greg Delawie stated, “The Obama administration has placed a strong emphasis on engaging with and listening to our partners in the region.”

    Of course, there was no mention of America’s former allies, the Degar Montagnards.

    Scott Johnson is a lawyer, writer and human rights activist. He co-writes the Powerline.com blog.

    For Christians, Vietnam war rages - Washington Times
     
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    Corporatistis in bed with Communists... great.
     
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    Millions of Evangelical Christians Want to Start World War III … to Speed Up the Second Coming

    But millions of Americans believe that Christ will not come again until Israel wipes out its competitors and there is widespread war in the Middle East. Some of these folks want to start a huge fire of war and death and destruction, so that Jesus comes quickly.

    According to French President Chirac, Bush told him that the Iraq war was needed to bring on the apocalypse:

    In Genesis and Ezekiel Gog and Magog are forces of the Apocalypse who are prophesied to come out of the north and destroy Israel unless stopped. The Book of Revelation took up the Old Testament prophesy:

    “And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.â€


    Bush believed the time had now come for that battle, telling Chirac:

    “This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age beginsâ€â€¦


    There can be little doubt now that President Bush’s reason for launching the war in Iraq was, for him, fundamentally religious. He was driven by his belief that the attack on Saddam’s Iraq was the fulfilment of a Biblical prophesy in which he had been chosen to serve as the instrument of the Lord.


    And British Prime Minister Tony Blair long-time mentor, advisor and confidante said:

    “Tony’s Christian faith is part of him, down to his cotton socks. He believed strongly at the time, that intervention in Kosovo, Sierra Leone – Iraq too – was all part of the Christian battle; good should triumph over evil, making lives better.
    â€


    Mr Burton, who was often described as Mr Blair’s mentor, says that his religion gave him a “total belief in what’s right and what’s wrongâ€, leading him to see the so-called War on Terror as “a moral causeâ€â€¦

    Anti-war campaigners criticised remarks Mr Blair made in 2006, suggesting that the decision to go to war in Iraq would ultimately be judged by God.

    Bill Moyers reports that the organization Christians United for Israel – led by highly-influential Pastor John C. Hagee – is a universal call to all Christians to help factions in Israel fund the Jewish settlements, throw out all the Palestinians and lobby for a pre-emptive invasion of Iran. All to bring Russia into a war against us causing World War III followed by Armageddon, the Second Coming and The Rapture. See this and this.

    This all revolves around what is called Dispensationalism. So popular is Dispensationalism that Tim LaHaye’s Left Behind series has sold 65 million copies.


    Dispensationalists include the following mega-pastors and their churches:

    ■Jerry Falwell
    ■Pat Robertson
    ■Billy Graham


    They are supported by politicians such as:

    ■Newt Gingrich
    ■Joseph Lieberman
    ■John McCain
    ■Texas Senator John Cronyn
    ■Former House Minority Whip Roy Blunt
    ■Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay
    ■And others

    Dr. Timothy Webber – an evangelical Christian who has served as a teacher of church history and the history of American religion at Denver Seminary and Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Vice-President at Northern Baptist Theological Seminary in Lombard, IL, and President of Memphis Theological Seminary in Tennessee – notes:

    In a recent Time/CNN poll, more than one-third of Americans said that since the terrorist attacks of 9/11, they have been thinking more about how current events might be leading to the end of the world.

    While only 36 percent of all Americans believe that the Bible is God’s Word and should be taken literally, 59 percent say they believe that events predicted in the Book of Revelation will come to pass. Almost one out of four Americans believes that 9/11 was predicted in the Bible, and nearly one in five believes that he or she will live long enough to see the end of the world. Even more significant for this study, over one-third of those Americans who support Israel report that they do so because they believe the Bible teaches that the Jews must possess their own country in the Holy Land before Jesus can return.

    Millions of Americans believe that the Bible predicts the future and that we are living in the last days. Their beliefs are rooted in dispensationalism, a particular way of understanding the Bible’s prophetic passages, especially those in Daniel and Ezekiel in the Old Testament and the Book of Revelation in the New Testament. They make up about one-third of America’s 40 or 50 million evangelical Christians and believe that the nation of Israel will play a central role in the unfolding of end-times events. In the last part of the 20th century, dispensationalist evangelicals become Israel’s best friends-an alliance that has made a serious geopolitical difference.

    Evangelical Christians Want to Start WWIII to Speed the "Second Coming" ... and Atheist Neocons are Using Religion to Rile Them Up to Justify War Against Iran
     
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    getting back with some myths

    the "Illuminati" planned for a massive wmd attack on the Olympic stadium...and they indicated that thr stadium build on the above of UK's undetgroung Nuclear facilities....in youtube they spread some news about the Illuminati..
    and the coming of Jesus
     
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    sir, I know western society much more than what people may guess here. in the country like US/EU/Australia, you dont need to ask father of a girl to pass night with her :nope:. just go with here, have dinner with parents and go with that girl to her room :wave:. western society lives in a strong belief that only those marriages get success who are first proved good on bed, and then only they think to get engaged but still they keep changing with others every year. you have Sachin Tendulkar who was married once in life, similar to common Indians, while Western People are inspired with Tom Cruise who change after every 1-2 years, with many on side also, and Western TVs do publicity of fun life of these Western Celebraties also among the young generation of West. I have lived in Australia for over 10 years..............

    but sir I dont say that Western Culture is 'immoral' or 'evil'. No. but few basic points I tell you as below which you would always keep in your mind while inviting this western culture in India.

    1st, You can't feed kids of Single Mother like a Western country like Australia. you just can't have a society where migrants would do white collar jobs with 100k+ and pay high tax to bear expanses of kids of Single Mothers of a country like Australia. neither you would invite this 'shame' in India nor you are even capable enough to have this luxury in your society. people like Salman Khan/Akshay Kumar may have full fun in life as they are enough capable on financial side but the common public of India can't...........

    2nd, and its a bottom line fact that people feel shame to say father to that person who is the latest boyfriend/ husband of his mother. Sir this much cultural background I brought with myself that I never have enough strengths to date any single mother in front of her kids of previous ‘boy friends’, while I knew it doenst matter them. Neither to any women who bring new bf to home nor to her kids who are habituated to see this usual things. You just can’t imagine this type of lifestyle in India…….

    3rd, I have seen few beating a person when I was visiting New Zealand during 2 weeks tour. The reason behind it was, he said a women my 'wife' and other got insulted by that statement of that person as they generally say ‘girl friend’ to their partners, not 'wife'. That person was also an European man but he finally apologized to that group also. While those people even tried to little insult wife of that man also to prove she is also one of the girls, other had in that bar. Sir, I have seen young people of Australia hating those who say their partner ‘wife’ not ‘girlfriend’ as it hurt them. I have seen that those people who generally change with different girls, had 7-8 fathers/ mothers, try to get women of those people who want to continue with only one wife in their life. Can you imagine a society where gf specialists people will start trying for the wives of those people who want a wife in life, not girlfriend? i havnt visited even a single b'day party in AUstralia where we didnt meet 7-8 mothers fathers of that person. they generally keep changing whole life and this way their kids now have over 7 to 27 mothers fathers.

    4th, a country like Russia can have magic to have skills by themselves regardless what lifestyle they have but the society of US/ UK/ Australia/ Canada type countries can’t have high to low skills in their society from the culture they have. We used to discuss about the ‘competitive products’ in our management classes in Sydney while it’s a bottom lime truth that if your country want to make ‘competitive products’ then you first have to have ‘competition’ in your schools also and then you may have high 'cut off' for your institutes like IITS, IIMs etc and have a look on the schools of Australia, there is only one competition in these schools, who had how many girlfriends and how good he is in different sports and how good body he may then make to impress girls to have fun in life. The kids without father can’t have good education, its truth which we know in India and consequences of absence of father, I have seen in Australia. Under high school pass people can’t develop technologies and US have high techs because of high qualified migrants only. As, how under high school passed people may develop technologies?

    Sir, no matter what type of lifestyle you have, you do have to think about the outcome of any change in your society. Russia has as much minerals and so low population that they encourage population growth by new welfare programs but you can’t. so, neither you can afford this type of luxury in your society nor you want a society of under high school pass people. Nor you may imagine a day in India when people habituated of different girlfriends will start targeting wives of those who don’t fall in this category. Everyone knows this is a shame, whether he is a Western person or an Indian, but Western society have got this shame but Indians haven’t yet. and therefore, we won’t reach this level, so you have to prepared to face this challenge of consequences of inviting Western culture.
     
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