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Christianity and Impact of westernization on Indian culture

Discussion in 'Internal Affairs' started by sunny_10, May 20, 2012.

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  1. Pagan666!

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    Has anyone heard of Bill Maher?
     
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    I love him.:cheers:
     
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    He is is an American stand-up comedian, television host, political commentator, author and actor.
    Maher is known for his political satire and sociopolitical commentary, which targets a wide swath of topics including religion, politics, bureaucracies of many kinds, political correctness, the mass media, greed among people and persons in positions of high political and social power, and the lack of intellectual curiosity in the electorate.[1] He supports the legalization of marijuana and same-sex marriage, and serves on the board of PETA.[2] He is also a critic of religion and is an advisory board member of Project Reason, a foundation to promote scientific knowledge and secular values within society.[3] In 2005, Maher ranked at number 38 on Comedy Central's 100 greatest stand-up comedians of all time.[4] Bill Maher received a Hollywood Walk of Fame star on September 14, 2010.[5] I watch him on HBO some, he seems right about half the time. Kind of a smart ass.
     
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    Sunny _10 G'day Mate,

    I have been following your posts for the last few days, I have noticed a few themes emerging from all of your posts: (No offence intended)

    1. You have issues with single mothers / parent families
    2. You constantly like to boast about your salary and your percieved level of intelligence
    3. You constantly like to ridicule sports and fitness (under guise of body image)
    4. You have mentioned on many occasions that you have been to birthday parties where the majority of the attendees are single parents.

    Whilst I neither cosent nor rebuke it in relation to the topic of the thread, I would like you to explain yourself further on some of the 'furfies' you have been spreading about Australia.


    First off You mention that you lived in Sydney, If you did live in Sydney and did attend birthday parties with a majority of single parent families then you must have lived in the western Suburbs where the majority single parents reside who happen to be Centrelink's (welfare) best customers. If you did earn a $ 100k job then your work environment would have had individuals hailing from a complete different back ground, either Australians from a migrant background, migrants who have migrated as part of the skilled migration policy or the 'white elephant' Anglo Saxon Australians, whom happen to be your favourite target. While you are at it how many mine workers do you know who live in Syd, Labourers in mines get a starting salary of $80K up, $80k for apprentices.

    If you are not socialising with your work colleagues and tend to socialise with centrelinks finest, it means that for some reason you have been ostracised by your work colleagues, most of them probably fall into the high income earner category of either single, divorced or DINKs (Double Income No Kids). You choose not to say anything bad about them yet choose to speak ill of the community you seem to socialise with.

    As someone who knows and have friends in the high income earners category and professionals (many of them being Australians from the sub-continent) the culture can be a bit demanding, especially when it comes to sport and fitness, As sport and fitness is encouraged from pre-school onwards. Some professional organisations even go ahead with organised P.T either during lunch breaks or after work to increase team work and cohesion. It has been proven time and time again that a healthy body leads to a healthy mind, and the fitter you are the less you suffer from stress.

    You having issues with health and fitness indicates that you may be the type who disregards the importance of it and as a result have been left out of the crowd.

    Secondly, I have plenty of Australian Indian, Australian Pakistani, Australian Bangladeshi, Australian lankan, Australian viet, Australian Chinese, Australian greek, Australian Islander, Aboriginal, Australian lebanese and Anglo Australian friends with perfectly well behaved children (according to your theory). If a parent has good ethics and has a good relationship with their children then the children will pick it up and carry the values of their parent's and grandparent's culture.

    At the same breath I do have friends with issues as you have mentioned with their children. Sadly this issue is rampant amongst families with migrant backgrounds. This is due to the fact that the relationship between the parents and the kids is almost non existent. father is busy working, mother is either busy working or working hard at home, Kids grow and go through their own experiences IF you can't share in that then you loose trust with the kids, as a result the kids pick up sticks and do their own thing. How many migrant parents know the name of all their kids friends, or the type of music they listen to, point is if you can’t relate to a teenager in means they understand then you might as well not attempt it. Remember you are dealing with Gen Y and Z kids, you need to give them a explanation of why you want things done.

    Thirdly, The education system in Australia, whilst not perfect encourages free thought, not mindless hours of memorisation. This leads to interaction in the work environment. I have witnessed many skilled migrants just doing their jobs and collecting their monthly /fortnightly pay and not questioning anything, They almost seem to have the mentality of 'not rocking the boat' and 'why fix it when it is not broken', the day migrant workers break out of that vicious cycle and start thinking of ways to improve the system and thinking outside the box that the day they will lead in all innovations, until then they will be the workers earning good $$.

    Australia has a pop of 21 million compared to 1 billion of India with an unemployment rate under 5%. This means that there is a high chance of bumping into a bricklayer or a plumber or a garbage disposalist than in India, most of these individuals having completed primary education and probably got as far as Yr 10, In India I believe most of the labour jobs are traditionally done by individuals with either primary or in some cases no education, and perhaps from an exclusive community renown for that profession over history. This means that the chance of someone in your income bracket meeting and socialising with a labourer is next to nil, where as in Australia I believe you have experienced it.

    Labourers in both countries have similar needs (although the work environment is completely different):

    Work hard to put food on the table;
    Try to buy a house;
    try not to get injured whilst working; and
    I am pretty sure labourers in both countries hit the booze to unwind after a hard day of work.

    So please, I beseech you next time you decide to ridicule the education system, please do some research, as there are bad apples in every barrel.
     
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    there is a difference between science and arts, that is, art side always has something to gain on one aspect then at the same time something to lose. Im in this thread to put stand of indian culture and other related geo-political issues..... thanks

    (and, in 7/11 shops i found many for hardly $14 to $15/ hour? even in cafes, girls work for hardly $16 to $20/hour? i have seen even refugees working for hardly $8 to $10/ hour in restaurants for general kitchen hand jobs???? .... yes labors on mine site earn good money, starting i heard from $30/hour and then benefits with free accommodation/food etc. too many British and New Zealanders i found going to mine site for labor jobs in perth. but Sydney's backpackers are generally filled with British having Steel Cap Boot :smile:. i guess, British would account for at least 25% to upto 50% of total Backpackers people of Sydney? thanks .....)
     
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    i just noticed your this point, I was member of "Fitness First" in Perth and Sydney for over 6 years, have been visiting mine sites also. doing heavy exercise has been my habit, with walking at least 8 to 10 km on weekends on the beaches of Sydney and mainly in Perth where I passed over 4 years :smile:

    do you want to see my membership of Fitness First and, should i send you my picture showing my height and the body i had built in australia? here, im just eating nowdays so little fat now :laugh:

    the below is my picture in the most famous shopping complex of Sydney, name it and prove you in Sydney :smile:

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    the man below is known to many in world and know the things about me from very close

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    nude beaches starts just from the stone, do i look like akshy kumar??? but my height is only 181cm, 5'11" to 6" I would say......

    the last picture was taken by my one very good German friend, Andria, in our flat so its little dark

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    below is my degrees from UTS, Master of Engineering and Master of Engineering Management degrees. I first did Master in Engineering Management and as it had subjects in common so I then completed Master of Engineering in mechanical/manufacturing engineering also and then migrated in 2005. I have my BE in mechanical engineering from a government college of India.......

    (anyone who wishes to see my australian passport and any other documents, may ask here, if. anyhow my identity is open, so its Ms Gillard and her men who gotto handle the mess her people did till now..........)

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    now, do you want your society to become like these labors of Britain, Europe, Australia???????
     
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    I sure dont want my society to be like 3rd world countries or the former USSR. Evidently you were not thrilled with where you were or you would not be where you are now.
     
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    Mate,

    Good for you, re your degrees from UTS.:thank_you2:

    Anyone with google maps can Identify QVB in george St Sydney.

    Mines do pay a lot....and as you would know mines are Australias largest industry, the labour turnover for them is insane, hence Mining companies recruit people from UK, SAF and NZ. Before you get carried away, mining is hard yakka, living and working in out back WA or QLD in 40deg celcius is tough, but they get compensated for their troubles. Most Aussies do not decide on the mines, because of the extended periods away from families. The single Guys on the other hand....

    If you lived and worked in Syd and Perth then you will be aware of the free movement policy between Aus and NZ, NZ is treated almost as another state. NZ citizens can move, live and work in Aus as well as get on welfare without any immigration constraints. It 'used' to be the same for UK citizens as well, but that has been changed, a work visa is required. Aus citizens can move to and live and work in the U.K for an 'x' amount of time, x used to be 3 years, I don't know the current timeframe. The point is many UK citizens used to travel to Aus as backpackers, stay in backpacker hostels and work their way around the country, most of these individuals do the labour jobs as they are readily available. Once they have done the whole, backpack down under thing they move on to either back to uni or to the professional field. Aussies do the same, many take advantage of the UK work policy and move to the UK for a couple of years work there and travel around europe, once they had enough they move back, some with savings, some without.

    I don't see any harm in an individuals desire to see and mainly experience the world, and how better to experience it rather than working there. I believe all youngsters should do this, get out of the fish bowl, it will give them a serious depth of the world and will help them view both sides of the coin, if they fail after this experience, then they should seriously have a look in the mirror. A little worldly knowledge sometimes can be better than any tertiary degree.

    A littel knowledge is a dangerous thing..............then again so is a lot - Albert Einstein
     
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    If i am given my say then i will choose the japanese inspiration more then total westernization or total swadeshi.
    Both are extremist ideologies.

    As picard pointed out ,the japanese have taken the best of their own and the west.
    I want india to learn good things from west like free thought,individualism,women liberation and we will mix it with our colorful traditional indian culture and spirituality.(I don't mean that india doesn't have these western inventions of freethought and individualism..it has a long tradition of its own,but these things were surpressed because of problems inside indian society..so western exposure will bring out the best of indian individualism to the surface)

    I think sunny_10 will also agree with it?
     
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    sir, religious division is the very first reason behind most of the wars in world, and its mainly the Western Champions who are worried for the changing world and before the world may get changed completely, they want to ensure their stake in this world......... whether you wish or not, you at least have to resist these efforts and then it all finally results in putting your own religious stand. if you can't demonstrate your own religious background then it simply means that you want to give a chance to the other side to define the 'God' in terms of 'Jesus Christ', while I have even seen Australian aboriginals converting into Islam just to resist the "Religious Colonization" by West. hence, even if you dont wish to be part of religous craps, you do need to understand this very first reason behind the differents wars organized in this world, and Western Agrressors are the one who first start .......

     
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    In real life I dont see that very many wars are about religon. Unless you try to say Iraq and Afganstan, at least it was not about religion as far as the US was concerned. Korean war, Vietnam war, World War II, World War one was not about religon.
    Now as far as it being perferable to live in India, you dont live in India, In India about all you are going to make a year is about 5000 if you dont finish school,,,, about 8000 if you finish highschool, and about 11000 if you have some college, thats averagesl From the number of people emigrating from India it isnt that great a place to live.
     
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    No wars in history were about religion. Not even Crusades.
     
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