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Civilian deaths from US drones ‘lowest since 2008′

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  1. layman

    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    ISLAMABAD: Fewer civilians have died in US drone strikes in Pakistan so far this year than at any other time in the last four years, a report said Monday.

    Three to 24 civilians were reported killed by American CIA drones in Pakistan from January to June, according to the London-based Bureau of Investigative Journalism.

    Reported civilian casualty rates have not been so low since the first half of 2008, when 12-21 civilians reportedly died under former US president George W Bush, it said.

    It was also a marked decline on the 62-103 civilians reported killed by drone strikes in Pakistan in the first six months of 2011, the bureau added.

    US drones target Taliban and Al-Qaeda fighters in Pakistan’s semi-autonomous tribal belt on the Afghan border, where journalists and aid workers do not have independent access.

    The programme is covert, but US officials have defended the attacks as a vital weapon in the war on terror, despite concerns from rights activists over civilian casualties.

    The decline in casualties correlates to a decline in attacks as relations between Islamabad and Washington deteriorated since Osama bin Laden was killed in Pakistan in May 2011 and after US air strikes killed 24 Pakistani soldiers last November.

    According to an AFP tally, 101 US drone strikes were reported in Pakistan in 2010, 64 in 2011 and only 24 so far this year.

    Pakistan has also becoming increasingly vocal in its public opposition to the strikes.

    It stopped Nato supplies travelling overland into Afghanistan after its soldiers were killed in November. It has yet to reopen the route, demanding a formal apology for the deaths.

    According to the bureau, between 2,496 and 3,202 people have been reported killed by drones in Pakistan since 2004. Among them are 482-832 civilians, 175 of them children.

    UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay last month called for a UN investigation into US drone strikes, questioning their legality and saying they kill innocent civilians.

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  2. kewlol

    kewlol 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    First up, killing a civilian by itself is a very big sin and i don't think its a factor to celebrate or be proud about. They should be ashamed that they are killing civilians of another country who have no part in whatever is happening. Claiming of doing that for the last 4 years sounds just like the US defence department. They know nothing more than just killing people, how cruel would they be to report that they have killed 175 children as a report.

    where is this report coming from? I mean from which source? There don't seem to be any comments or excerpts from people claiming that. What is the ground report on these facts, it doesn't seem Pakistan is claiming anything here.

    Even if the report is true, i guess the reason the deaths have gone down is because the attacks have now diversified. They are not only taking out targets in Pakistan, now they are using drones everywhere in the middle east. They are using it in Yemen the most this year, if they care to report on the civilians deaths there then we can see the ground reality, see what US is doing over the globe and who gave it the right to police every country.

    So i don't think US should make these proud announcements, rather should stop playing the drone card and start leaving these regions of civilian areas.
     
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    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    The drone strikes have been in five failed states, like Afganstanl, Pakistan, Africa, Yemen, and I think some in the Philippines. If terrorist attack americans and a country does not have the resource to deal with them, the the USA will target them if they can be located. America is not India we are not going to allow terrorist to attack americans and then set by helpless wringing our hands and not do anything about it.
     
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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    Drone strikes are basically create problem > create "solution" to problem > PROFIT!. In a loop.

    They are Taliban-creating machines, but that's exactly what US want.
     
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  5. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Wake up.

    Calling it the 'War on terror' is false advertising!
    Al Qaeda were a small group of criminals that needed to be arrested and tried.

    Instead you invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, you helped Al Qaeda grow and spread.
    And messed up entire regions in the process.

    And by calling it a war on terror, means that the lives of your fallen are going in vain!
    I'd call it a war OF terror. With corporations benefiting the most.

    Wake up, ignorant fools!
     
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    tilopa Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    Hypothetically imagine an islamic country left to itself where there is rule of Shariah and the Koran.
    Do you think it will progress?

    Asking Honestly.
     
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    Sure it will, heres a good example..

    17 Afghans beheaded in insurgent attack on party
    By HEIDI VOGT and MIRWAIS KHAN | Associated Press – 5 hrs ago.. .
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    KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — Insurgents beheaded 17 civilians in a Taliban-controlled area of southern Afghanistan, apparently because they attended a dance party that flouted the extreme brand of Islam embraced by the militants, officials said Monday.

    The killings, in a district where U.S. Marines have battled the Taliban for years, were a reminder of how much power the insurgent group still wields in the south — particularly as international forces draw down and hand areas over to Afghan forces.

    The victims were part of a large group that had gathered late Sunday in Helmand province's Musa Qala district for a celebration involving music and dancing, said district government chief Neyamatullah Khan. He said the Taliban slaughtered them to show their disapproval of the event.

    All of the bodies were decapitated but it was not clear if they had been shot first, said provincial government spokesman Daoud Ahmadi.

    Information was only trickling out slowly because the area where the killings occurred is largely Taliban controlled, Khan said. The Taliban spokesman for southern Afghanistan could not be reached for comment.

    Many Afghans and international observers have expressed worries that the Taliban's brutal interpretation of Islamic justice will return as international forces withdraw. Under the Taliban, who ruled the country from 1996 to 2001, all music and film was banned as un-Islamic, and women were barred from leaving their homes without a male family member as an escort.


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    Khan reported from Kandahar, Afghanistan. Associated Press writers Amir Shah and Rahim Faiez contributed to this report in Kabul.

    I guess the muslims prefer the Taliban over the drones.
     
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    That's what i say people are quick to denounce the War on Terror.But little do they realize that they live in their comfortable cozy homes in Europe and America because their soldiers who are killing terrorists in roughlands of afghanistan thousands of miles away are the real heroes.
     
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    they don't realize something else which has been said in this forum over and over but has fallen on deaf ears drones kill innocents when a child is left without family he has nowhere to go nobody who can guide him and in process creates another terrorists.
     
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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    There is another thing - poverty creates extremism. Poor families in Mid East have many children, and can't feed them all. Solution? Send a child or two to be trained by Al-Quaeda or Taliban, who will in turn provide support for rest of the family.

    And neoliberal practices introduced to Mid East by US will only make situation worse.
     
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    They denounce the war because they know it is govt propaganda bullshit and they realize people are dying because of dumbass govt's all over world
     
  12. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    And how wrong you are. The boys on the ground are heroes sure.

    I live here in West London and my home is quite close to Cavalry Barracks.
    Who have been fielded in Afghanistan and Iraq. I know people in our neighbourhood who are veterans themselves and an unfortunate kid who lost his father in Iraq.

    There were only a few hundred suspected Al-Qaeda. Why did we go invading an entire nation?
    The Taliban said that they'd be happy to hand him over if the unjust bombing of Afghanistan stopped.

    And then Iraq. Why? Why did we have to invade?
    Al Qaeda wasn't there.

    We had this war in the beginning where we needed a war of reconciliation not revenge.
    We needed to treat the few hundreds as criminals. Instead we turned them into heroes and we ended up invading two countries needlessly, creating thousands upon thousands of enemies and putting entire Af-Pak region to shit!
     
  13. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    And what is the point of this question?
    How on earth are you trying to counter our argument.

    I thought the real cause was Al Qaeda not liberating people who don't want to be messed with. \

    But with regards to your question.
    I can tell you have no clue what Shariah and Qur'an really do.

    They aren't there to run nations.
    They are guidelines for individual's lifestyle and laws for society.
    But they do disallow some freedoms for Muslims who CHOOSE to follow it. But that would be surrendering their freedoms willingly.

    So there is a disadvantage there. But no reason to go liberating Afghanistan in the name of terrorist hunting.
    Taliban were extremists by Western measure but certainly not terrorists.
     
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