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COMPARISON: The T90s Tank 'vs' The Abram Tank

Discussion in 'Indian Defence Industry' started by Manmohan Yadav, Sep 18, 2013.

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  1. Manmohan Yadav

    Manmohan Yadav Brigadier STAR MEMBER

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    The T90s Tank and Abram tanks are both excellent tanks that help the armed forces to attack and counter attack enemies. However, the technology used in both these tanks is very different and hence the usage results will also vary accordingly. It depends on the exact need of the defense force to decide on the use of a tank from the two.

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    The weight ::
    You need to consider the weight of the tanks that is used to attack enemies when it comes to fighting an important war. All tanks are heavy because it carries a lot of equipments that are required for an attack operation. The Abrams is much heavier compared to the T90s. This factor has to be considered while the tanks are deployed in an area that contains a lot of bridges. Some of the bridges might find it difficult to accommodate the weight of the Abrams tank. Hence in such situations T90 are a better option.


    Fuel consumption :::
    The Abrams tank is very powerful compared to the T90s but the fuel consumption rate is very high. Hence when a long war or defense operation takes place, it will be difficult to provide fuel support to the Abrams tank. When more logistical support is to be provided in order to run the tank, it will leave the battalion at a higher risk. Hence T90s are better in terms of fuel consumption.


    Expense ::
    The cost of Abrams tank is almost double the cost of the T90s tank. Hence the defense department will be able to buy two T90s tank for the price of one Abrams tank and this will bring in a huge difference in the overall strength of the force. The maintenance costs and fuel charges are also high when Abrams tank is chosen. However, Abrams tank is definitely worthy of the money paid. It will help in attacking the enemies in a much enhanced way when compared to that provided by the T90s. The production facility of the T90s is also much superior when you compare it with Abram tanks.


    An attack between an Abram tank and T90 ::
    When you consider the features included in both these tanks, Abram tank is a clear winner over T90s in terms of power and facilities. However, when a warfare situation is considered, the win might be for the T90s if the geographical setup supports it. To move quickly between rough terrains and weak bridges, T90s are much better because of the lightweight build of this tank.

    When the comparison is done based on different parameters, both T90s as well as Abram tanks are good performers. However, if the defense battalion needs a powerful tank and does not mind spending a lot of money on it, Abrams is the option that is best. The production costs, maintenance costs and fuel expenses are quite high for this one but it almost never fails to serve its purpose. The T90s is a much more compatible tank and can be used for attacks but might not be as powerful compared to Abram.
     
  2. Eddie

    Eddie Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    Abrams have always featured in top 3 and T90s below the 6th position in the "world's best tanks list" by various sources.
     
  3. ArmChairGeneral

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    T-90 suffers from some of the same problems T-72 suffers from.

    1. Gun accuracy at longer engagement
    2. Ammunition cookoff if tank armour is penetrated

    The crew survivability is low in T-90.

    Some problems of T-72 has been fixed like its has better armour, better engine, can fire on move etc. but critical problem stays.

    I give you an example of a T-90 engagement with M1A2 at 2 km. A gun shell travels at 800-900 meters per second compared to 200 m/sec for anti-tank missile. The firing platform needs to be alive to guide the missile.

    I bet M1A2 will win as it will hit the T-90 with its main gun. The chances of a successful hit by T-90 is lower. And T-90's missile will reach M1A2 when T-90 is already burning.

    If distance between T-90 and M1A2 is lower (like 1 km), both tanks stand almost equal chance of hitting each other with main gun shells. In this case, better shell of M1A2 (like spent Uranium penetrator) will carry the day.

    In India vs Pakistan engagement, both have similar tanks, so enemy does not have an advantage. However I worry about newer Chinese tanks as Chinese are now following Western ideas.
     
  4. Paliwal Warrior

    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Can you please elaborate on this with details
    With indian tanks details also
     
  5. ArmChairGeneral

    ArmChairGeneral Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    ** T-90 tank **

    Weight = 47 ton
    Cost = 20 crores per unit
    Crew = 3
    Armour = steel composite reactive blend (vs APFSDS: 550mm, with Kontakt-5 = 800-830mm; vs HEAT: 650mm with Kontakt-5 = 1,150–1,350mm)
    Main Gun = 125mm smooth bore, can fire 9M119 missile
    Engine = 950 HP diesel
    Suspension = torsion bar
    Range = 550 km
    Speed = 60-65 km per hour on flat surface
    T-90 Tanks in Indian service = between 800 and 1000
    T-90 Tanks in Russian service = 550
    Protection - Indian tanks were ordered without night sights and Shtora self defense suite. Reports point to night sights being procured.
     
  6. ArmChairGeneral

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    ** Al Khalid Tank **

    Weight = 46 ton
    Cost = NA
    Crew = 3
    Armour = steel composite reactive blend (vs APFSDS: 350-450mm, with ERA = NA; vs HEAT: 450-550mm with ERA = NA)
    Main Gun = 125mm smooth bore, fires Ukrainian anti-tank missiles, can fire a Pakistani DU round with 550mm penetration at 2 km (Wiki)
    Engine = 1200 HP diesel (German or American sourced)
    Suspension = torsion bar
    Range = 500 km
    Speed = 72 km per hour on flat surface
    Al Khalid Tanks in Pakistan Army service = between 500 and 600
    Protection - Varta active protection system from Ukraine.

    Note: Pakistani Al Khalid tank is based on Ukrainian T-80UD tank. So it is basically similar to T-90.
     
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  7. ArmChairGeneral

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    ** USA M1A2 Tank **

    Weight = 61 ton
    Cost = 6.2 Mil
    Crew = 4
    Armour = Chobham, RH armor, depleted uranium strike plates, Kevlar mesh
    Main Gun = 120 mm L44 M256 smoothbore cannon (M1A1, M1A2, M1A2SEP) with 42 rounds
    Engine = Honeywell Turbine engine (1500 HP)
    Suspension = torsion bar
    Range = 426 km
    Speed = 67 km per hour on flat surface
    M1A2 tanks in US service = 677 (as per Wiki)
    Protection - Tank Urban Survival Kit.
     
  8. ArmChairGeneral

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    ** Tanks deployability against China **

    Looking at terrain, only a few places in Ladakh and North-east can deploy tanks. 200-300 tanks are enough for China.
     
  9. The Drdo Guy

    The Drdo Guy Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    MOD cleared to deploy six regiment of T90(58 tank in each regiment=348 tanks)and three batallions of BMP2(180 BMP'S) way back in 2012.
     
  10. S K Mittal

    S K Mittal Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    so how it is going? I mean if a single tank is ever deployed ever?
     
  11. The Drdo Guy

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    The army is trying to raise these corps but you know land is needed to house these arrangements.The army is in talks with several state governments.
     
  12. S K Mittal

    S K Mittal Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    this is the biggest problem in India
    DELAYS
     
  13. ArmChairGeneral

    ArmChairGeneral Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    So 348 tanks and 180 BMP2 for the new corps at Panagarh. I have not seen the order for BMP2 on OFB, Medak, the only factory that build BMP 2. 180 vehicles is a good size order. I shall check again.

    The T-90 is under production at Avadi, so they can divert as many as needed to Panagarh.

    I do not think all troops will be at Panagarh. It is HQ only. The troops will most likely will be in north Bengal and Assam.

    OFB has got a 114 unit Bofors Howitzer order. This could be for the eastern sector.
     
  14. ArmChairGeneral

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    They can set up a temp HQ quickly if they want. It is not necessary to wait for land acquisition.

    There are several IAF airbases in Bengal that may have surplus land.
     
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