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Conventional war between China+Pakistan vs India+Vietnam+Philippines today, who would win?

Discussion in 'International Relations' started by HMS Astute, Nov 6, 2014.

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  1. HMS Astute

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    Just a simple question guys. This is a scenario and just tell us which group do you think would win if a conventional war broke out between these two Asia's prodigious Dragon and Tiger. No western, european, russian, african interventions, no help from others.

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    Dream bigger lol
     
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    Expect China would win. Go to Global Fire Power and add the figures.

    Lot of fiction books on China invading USA.

    by Vaughn Heppner think have listen audio books or read them all.

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    China would win hands down. In the current scenario.
    But it doesnt mean world will survive the recession after.
     
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    It is not so easy to say who would win in this scenario, is it? First, we need to bare in mind that Philippines is a country made up of too many tiny islands which act as unsinkable carriers and they could be used by India to deploy and strategically place it's massive amount of troops in order to crush offensive Chinese forces there. This battlefield alone would give China a very tough fight, considering China currently lacks power projection, functional aircraft carriers and assault ships. In the mean time, India can continue producing Brahmos to reduce the effectiveness of Chinese air force near the shared borders in the northern regions, and India's SU jets can start contributing in shock and awe style bombing campaign. The real problem which would eliminate the superiority and concentration of Indian fighting forces is the Pakistani air force with their F-16s, and other western made weapons. They will stab India's back whilst India is already taking huge casualties in the Chinese-Indian borders. Hard to say which country would win because they are both too close to each other. In a war, it is not about who has more troops or aircraft, but tactics, training, professionalism, experience, skills, technology, and resources etc are more important as history has shown.
     
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    Vietnam.
     
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    Vietnam, Philippines & Pakistan are basically modeled as defensive forces. In the present state of affairs none of these three countries
    have forces capable enough to launch a successful combined-arms offensive against their perceived enemies - only China & India have
    offensive/invasion capabilities.

    In a pure India-China war, the result is most likely to be a stalemate in the present scenario. Also the said war will be of a short time-span
    and of high intensity. It would also be the first of it's kind in the modern age, if it happens right now.

    Of all the countries listed here, IAF has the most advanced & capable fighters & transports, although they are
    smaller in number compared to PLAAF (which has a lot more enemies to face than India). The Su-30MKI with it's PESA radar,
    TVC engines, advanced EW suite is the best fighter in the neighborhood. Although quality-wise the F-16s are better, but not in capability.

    But it serves to mention, of all the large numbers of aircraft PLAAF can deploy, it has, surprisingly only 3 full-fledged airfields on it's side of the
    India-China border from where a sustained air campaign can be launched. IAF has around 7-8 or more airfields that can operate against
    China at any given time - thanks to better climatic conditions on our side, which also means we can take off with higher payload. The MKI
    is also more capable than any other currently available PLAAF fighter. Our pilots also had the benefit of training with a lot of Western &
    Eastern air forces and have, understandably, developed a wider profile of knowledge with regard to tactics.

    Thus is any air-to-air battle, IAF is most likely to defeat PLAAF air dominance on Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR), and parts of Xinjiang
    within a short period of time. Once air-superiority is secured, it becomes difficult for the Chinese ground forces to carry out successful
    ground offensives. Oh and in terms of geography, the IA is better-placed in higher-ground terrain, looking down on the Chinese positions
    for most part of the border (although deeper into Chinese territory the positions will be favorable to PLA). The key to breaking any stalemate
    in land warfare lies in sustained fire-assaults using Multi-Barreled Rocket Launchers (MBRLs), short-range ballistic missiles & cruise missiles
    as well as traditional artillery. The Chinese are definitely a step ahead in material aspects regarding this, but again how well they can
    use them depends on who has the air-dominance - no one is gonna carry out a sustained fire-assault with enemy aircraft buzzing them
    all the time.

    Both sides' airfields are also within reach of one others' missiles, so it's like a food chain. But either way India will have the edge with
    regard to the air war. Mobilizing additional ground forces will also be easier for us than PLA because of the terrain, although the Chinese
    have indeed developed a good range of infrastructure to counter that. The PLA is likely to have the advantage in ground warfare in the
    initial stages. The downside for both forces is that the altitude of these battlefields often restricts the kind of armored vehicles that can be
    used (usually only light tanks & IFVs are used around here, the MBTs only move around much deeper into the two sides' territories) and
    this is what often hampers quick progression in terms of ground-warfare. India is in possession of more immediately-available ATGMs
    which makes our case better against armor.

    I will explain my opinion of the naval scenario later...
     
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    China Military Strength


    India Military Strength

    Think the Chinese have better training and discipline, might be a way to get rid a surplus of young males in both countries.


    Expect with 3 times the planes China would eliminate the IAF and then just send in millions of Chinese into India backed by Chinese air power with the troops living off the land.
     
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    It doesn't work like that, unfortunately.
     
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    Cool. These countries are too big and powerful enough to blow up each other, wipe off (a billion?) a lot of civilians and create tremendous instability on the global scale. But, i don't think either China or India are capable of fighting a long range war for a long period of time and they both lack oversea military bases too, what is your opinion on this? Do you think rising power India (1.32+ million active troops) would win a war against declining countries UK+France (420,000 active troops) and say this war took place in Turkey?
     
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    Border skirmishes like the recent ones can happen, but not war.

    The subject in talks is interesting, but in reality its damn ugly!! Ask one of your WWII veterans?
     
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    NATO wins and Europe, USA smiles !!
     
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    In a war, it is not about who has more troops or aircraft, but tactics, training, professionalism, experience, skills, technology, and resources etc are more important as history has shown.
     
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