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Debate: - Make In India in Defence Sector - Is it Real or just a Hype?

Discussion in 'Defence Analysis' started by PARIKRAMA, Apr 5, 2017.

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Make In India in Defence Sector - Is it Real or just a Hype?

  1. Its Real and India is serious

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  2. Its just a Hype

    13 vote(s)
    23.2%
  3. We are working on it and results will take time ..

    39 vote(s)
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  1. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    We will have FOC shortly

    Well I am hearing the same phrase since 2013 at least.
    IAF which actually would be using it, would be obviously more tensed about the organisation they are dealing. And no wonder they are reluctant to add this to their fleet.

    The GOI and HAL together have ruined LCA and without a private production line , LCA would not see 1 more aircraft being produced than the 123.
     
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  2. HariPrasad

    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    So you accept that 123 tejas shall be produced which includes 80 ordered because of parrikar's effort.
     
  3. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    I accept that at the most 123 LCA will be priced, with only 83 of them actually capable of combat , which is down from the ~300 planned.

    All this due to the negligence of HAL and not only 10 years of Congress but also 3 years of PM MODI !
     
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  4. MilSpec

    MilSpec Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Tie your shoe laces and start working.

    My personal interest in making rafale's or the other items listed is zilch. What we need to look at w.r.t "we are working on it" part of the poll are things like : ATAGS, HTT40 , LCA (despite the engine and radar's being off the shelf), ALH, LCH, all of our indigenous efforts towards missile systems. These are the flagships.

    I have a slight Bias towards HAL and people are free to berate me over that. I am fine with that. But to me the HTT40 is a prime example along with ATAGS of what we can do if there is will to Make in India.

    To me one of the biggest hurdles in Make in India is the mindset and conduct of the Forces itself . remember this jem

    http://indiandefence.com/threads/iaf-furious-over-hals-star-trainer.24075/
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    and then it turns out

    http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2015/02/controversy-another-upa-scam-in-offing.html

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  5. MilSpec

    MilSpec Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    OFF topic, but there is no defeating Modi now. Period.
     
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    MilSpec Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    BS. (pardon me)
     
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    MilSpec Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Please do shed a bit of light on HAL's role in this..
     
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    MilSpec Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    There are things that a Mig27 can do which f16's and gripen can do either. that doesn't say much. There are things that an A10 can do that the f35 cannot.
     
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    stephen cohen Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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  10. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Keeping in mind , the greater faith you have in HAL, can you bet, your days salary if the " Soon we will have FOC " rant of HAL will finally happen before the end of first half of 2017?
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Look at their claims and promises and what they actually deliver.
     
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    stephen cohen Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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  13. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Obviously.

    But the part you quoted is seemingly written for a different statement.
    More precisely I was supporting my statement that , showed the difference between claims (which easily can be reality ) and the present situation.
     
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    proud_indian 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    I don't think HAL is responsible for the FOC it's ADA which should be held responsible in this case.
     
  15. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    ADA is responsiblel only for the design and its certification.

    HAL is totally responsible for the Operational Clearances.
     

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