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Defence ministry blocks Navy’s ‘unrealistic’ five-year acquisition plan

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by Agent_47, Sep 13, 2017.

  1. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    They don't need 57 Rafales. It will cost $5B just for base infrastructure and $15B in total. They can make do with 57 Mig-29Ks instead. The Mig-29s will all come in for considerably less than $5B and with no expenses on the carriers themselves.

    What's more important for us is SSKs, SSNs and SSBNs for the safety of our population.
     
  2. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Not if tax revenues increase which they should do thanks to demonestisaton and GST. Defence budgets are not corelated with GDP but with govt expenditure.
     
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  3. Masterhunter

    Masterhunter FULL MEMBER

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    This us where navy is playing wrong.
    Order six more scorpenes... With AIP ... Will cost a max of 3.6 B dollars
    Ordering 3 more kilos for 1.4 billion dollars, .. will give them 9 subs in 5 billion ..

    Now come to carriers ... We don't need INS vishal not atleast for next 10 years... Period .. shelve it.
    And go for follow on IAC 1. Will cost about 3 Billion excluding aur wing

    Jets... Rafale M costs 110M dollar flyway..
    Customisation already paid..
    If they follow IAF deal of 75% availability and spare etc etc..
    It will cost about 150M dollar a plane. 60 planes will cost 9 billion plus two bases for 2 billion.. total 14 billion.

    Any IAC class ship will not be able to embark more than 24 rafales... So 60 will be enough for now.

    Total expenditure
    5 billion for subs
    3 Billion for carrier
    11 billion for jets..
    Total 19 billion to be paid in next 10 years.

    Indian navy projections were 23 Billion excluding a new carrier and less subs and ships.

    Sometimes I feel all three services behave like spoiled children, wanting all shiny toys from a limited money. No commonsense used.
     
  4. Masterhunter

    Masterhunter FULL MEMBER

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    Agreed,
    Navy don't need nuclear carriers or LPDs.
    They need in order of priority

    1. SSK at least 9 new other than current order of scorpenes... Way out order more scorpenes with AIP and order few kilo class
    2. SSN/SSBN... Invest here
    3. Frigates/destroyers. We need atleast 8 more vizag class dest other than present 3 kolkata and 4 vizag on order
    And we need more shivaliks. Atleast 10 more beyond present commisioned and 7 on order..

    A total number of upgraded 15 destroyers of kolkata and above and 30 frigates of upgraded shivalik/talwaar and above is what is minimum need to run three Carrier battle groups plus few SAG's and for defence of major harbours.

    3. Next is tankers and auxiliaries.
    4. More ASW corvettes. A total of 24 is needed
    5. NGMV/Minesweepers 12 each..
    7. Integral helos for all above ships
    8. Air wing of IAC 1
    9. New carrier ..IAC 1 follow on with airwing
    10. LPD
    11. Fighter Bases at A&N and laskdweep
    12.and now comes nuclear powered carrier
     
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  5. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    as @randomradio has said this is clearly Congress problem.
     
  6. Vasu

    Vasu IDF NewBie

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    Agree.We need SSN most.First build the defensive capability by having silent submarines,then in future maybe u hv option to hv buy modern aircraft carrier and it's planes.Russia says Mig-29K are doing fine while Indian Media says they r worst lot n Navy keeps quiet.Why don't they come out n defend or criticize Mig-29Ks.
     
  7. Notsuperstitious

    Notsuperstitious 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Do you know how much the Australians are payinh for their futuristic SSK plan?

    Hint - waaaayyyy more than that.
     
  8. Notsuperstitious

    Notsuperstitious 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    U have a point. We are still increasing the size of our military. This is a clear win for our adversaries and their non state tactics.
     
  9. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    What was sent back was the 5 year plan. You are referring to the next 15. :D
     
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  10. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    The Scorpenes will cost nearly twice what you quoted. P-75I is projected to cost more than $8B. SSNs are expected to be over $12B.

    As for Rafale, we need infrastructure for 3 land bases and 2 carriers. That's as much as $5B. We will need to modify the hangar as well as the arrestor cables. The MRCBF projection is $15B.
     
  11. PARIKRAMA

    PARIKRAMA Angel or Devil? Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    Navy plan is not put on hold.. rather priority has been shifted..

    The TE jet has to be common for both IAF and IN and that's why it was a straight fight between F18 and Rafale..

    As for costs , everything comes with a price.. irrespective of what we crib and cry, what must be done , will be done appropriately...

    Navy will get stuff for IAC1.. that's for sure..

    The issue of this article is for the OEM which is wanting a 100% FDI and wants to have all the supporting ecosystem abroad and use India to assemble the planes in the final phase just to meet basic MII or integrator role..

    So Such hit jobs is expected..
    The carrier wing evaluation will commence soon .....

    Edited to add
    DM NS has not scrapped anything.. and Ex DAM AJ has widely endorsed the naval carrier wing program for future role of force projection in IOR..

    Remember the word.. accommodative budget..
     
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  12. InfoWarrior

    InfoWarrior Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    17% of world's population only produces 3% of world's gdp. beggars can't be choosers.

    If China is able to export 2300 billion worth and India just 250 billion. Most of policy makers in India with obsessed with services, No one is interested in manufacturing. :fighting1:
     
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  13. Angel Eyes

    Angel Eyes 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    NLCA and MIG 29k is the way forward for navy...
     
  14. Sathya

    Sathya Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    :lol:
     
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  15. Fat Bandit

    Fat Bandit IDF NewBie

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    You are ranting without rhyme or reason. Please be more knowledgeable about these topics
     

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