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Defense spending increased 'significantly' among NATO allies

Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by BMD, Jul 4, 2017.

  1. BMD

    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    http://www.defensenews.com/articles/defense-spending-increased-significantly-among-nato-allies

    BRUSSELS — Defense spending has increased “significantly” among NATO allies, a meeting of defense ministers from the Western alliance was told Thursday in Brussels.

    The meeting heard that, across European allies and Canada, there was a 4.3 percent real increase in defense spending, equivalent to about $12 billion.

    This means that over the last three years, NATO members spent almost $46 billion more on defense.

    “This is a significant increase, which means that we are moving in the right direction when it comes to burden-sharing and defense spending," NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said. “We are making major progress. This will be the third consecutive year of accelerating defense investment across European allies and Canada.”

    Ministers took stock of efforts on fairer burden-sharing over a working lunch.

    The news will be seen as a direct riposte to U.S. President Donald Trump who, during his election campaign, branded NATO as “obsolete” and has repeatedly demanded that NATO allies “pay their fair share” toward the cost of Europe’s defense.

    However, the meeting also heard that only five of the 29 NATO allies, including the United States and the U.K. have so far met NATO’s benchmark of spending 2 percent of gross domestic product on defense. This year, only Romania is expected to join them.

    The meeting's attendees were told that 25 allies plan to increase defense spending in real terms this year and that, in 2018, Latvia and Lithuania will spend 2 percent of GDP on defense.

    Ministers were told that the $46 billion will be spent on “many different things,” including investing in new equipment and military exercises, but also soldiers’ salaries and pensions.
     
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    Guynextdoor Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    makes sense. After Brexit Europe has a more prominent role in world leadership. So their increase in spends makes sense. It's ok for Britain to cut down. It wasn't adding any strength to NATO anyway, now that the pretense is off, 'Little Britain' can optimize its contribution.
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    So, does EU now undertake the role of US in NATO?
     
  4. BMD

    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    It doesn't. It's currently being invaded. In 20 years it'll declare Caliphate status.
     
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  5. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Nope, but will see the US on an eye to eye level within the NATO.
    This is a move to be more independent from the US, to unite European defence rather than aiming on NATO itself.
    But a joint EU defence force has politicly and industrially much more power, than being devided in serveral different countries.
    And we already see the movements in the EU, with an insanely fast pace. But they will continue to take their share of NATO work, just as a joint force.

    The US and the UK are losing out here, since most of the defence deals now, are likely to stay within the EU like the joint tanker fleet now and most likely also the E3 replacement and the UK has sidelined itself from a leading country, to a follower. Wonder how long it takes till they lose their permanent UN seat?
     
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    Guynextdoor Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    You're just being alarmist.
     
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    Guynextdoor Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    But UK had lost the ability to provide high quality weapons a long time ago. Everyone knows that the EFT is basically a German project. They had to work hard to prevent UK from messing it up.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Half the time.

    You don't need 50% plus population of Muslims for that.

    The moment they start crossing 25% mark, they will start dominating.
     
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    sunstersun 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    The hype for the EU is so real lmao. Joint military projects have been a disaster across the board in Europe.
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    No. He is being quite pragmatic.

    Demographic change of significant scale is not exactly a great idea. Change in population content is the reason for trouble in US UK and even in India. Hard fact.
     
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    The US and UK spend more on defence than the rest of the EU combined.
     
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  13. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Well if you start unnecessary wars, you have to spend more money for the arms too.
    But the issue is, now with the EU forming to be a bigger player in the NATO, the US can't push their will that easily like they used to. With the UK out, there is not much political importance anymore either. Wonder if the EU and the Brics now will jointly push for a UNC reform?
     
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    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Not at all, BAE or AW are still capable companies and have a lot to offer (M777, Hawk, CV90, AW101...). However, if they get out of the EU, they find themselfs between the new EU defence industry and the US arms lobby and that might end badly. We have seen over decades, how the US lobby and political power crushed arms or aviation industries of close allies. I just hope, the UK is wise enough to still align themselves to the EU, even with less influence.

    P.S. The only reason for the EF being as good as it is today, is the UK! Germany was the major problem, especially in the MMRCA.
     
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    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    That's debatable and one has to differ between political, industrial or technological problems. The EF for example had a bad mix of all 3 problems for years, till the UK did, what they should had done from the start, lead for a version and let the others follow them (still the most exported European fighter).
    The NF90 had industrial issues at the beginning, but turned out to be more capable than the competition and is getting exported in good numbers.
    The A400 has technical issues, but other than that is widely considered as a highly capable aircraft with a lot of potential.

    The main issue for the EU will be, to get the countries in line for a common goal, a joint defence industry and to have France leading the bunch into war (if necessary) and not get held back by Germany.
     
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