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Dhruv ALH Updates & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by CONNAN, Mar 7, 2011.

  1. Anish

    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Which fictional CAG report are you inventing today? Haven't you invented plenty by now?

    or another fictional source -

    Authored by Ajai Shukla? or Rizwan Akhtar?
     
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    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Ecuador pilots who flew Dhruv underwent extensive training with HAL

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    Grounded Dhruv

    In a large hangar semitechado Fighter Wing 22 in Guayaquil, remain the three helicopters Dhruv. A long black plastic cover to aircraft 602 and 606. The teams are standing since the last accident in the Tena (Napo), on January 27. On Tuesday 24, TRADE agreed to that location and observed the work of technicians. It is the first time that the FAE allows the status of these ships after accidents. That day, the military revised the helicopter 607, the aircraft used by the pilots to mobilize President Correa. The first days of January was allowed to fly on that ship, as he entered a scheduled inspection routine. A group of experts inspected the rotor. At first glance, the Dhruv is an impressive ship. Entire system is computerized. It even has the capacity to enable an external hook load up 1500 kilos. Before the arrival of those teams, in 2009, officers who currently operate Dhruv, piloted the Alouette and Bell 212. These two were smaller technology and the systems are controlled by hand. With the Dhruv, the military mission scheduled in the internal computer and monitor every detail is met. To become familiar with the technology of these teams, four pilots flew in November 2008 at Bangalore, a city in southern India, where the company HAL, which sold seven helicopters to Ecuador works. In the month and a half that remained in China, Ecuadorian pilots knew the aerodynamics of those teams. They practice in the day, at night and learned to solve potential emergencies criticisms were reported in flights. 13 technicians and two officers accompanied the pilots. They knew they needed to maintain the Dhruv. But the training did not end there. Indian technicians arrived in March 2009 to Fighter Wing 22 and stayed until December 2013. During this period advised the Ecuadorian Airmen. Between 2009 and 2015, the Dhruv met 5000 flight hours. They executed search and rescue tasks in water, land and in high mountain in various parts of Ecuador. Delegates US The defense minister, Fernando Cordero, announced that declassified documents the purchase of the Indians devices. That information is now open to "all who want to do some serious research," he said. In the Ministerial Agreement Cordero ordered the pre-contractual and contractual transparent processes. The acquisition of seven aircraft cost $ 45, 2 million. Moreover, since Monday 23 February, delegates joints investigating accidents last two Dhruv (13 and January 27, 2015) are in Washington, United States. There, using special simulators, experts reconstruct the last flights of these aircraft to know why siniestraron. After the fall of January 13, Indian technicians returned to Fighter Wing 22 to analyze what happened. They left the country weeks later. Currently only FAE specialists are responsible for reviewing the three helicopters. In 2014, six other airmen traveled to Bangalore to specialize in repairing the Dhruv. In that city remained three months. For now it is not known whether the three Indian ships flying again. It all depends on the reports of the meetings that are now investigating US To buy another model helicopters, pilots and airmen of Fighter Wing 22 passes through a new process of theoretical and practical training. That means knowing the aerodynamic systems, bionics team training in flight simulators model vessel acquired and training in the air. As happened with Dhruv in 2008 ... A Dhruv crashed in India A judge armored reserve Gabela report Largo training process to pilot a helicopter Tragedy of the Dhruvs and the failure of Ecuador as a country INTERVIEW Col. Galo Venegas / Cmdr. Fighter Wing 22 How logistics team now has the Fighter Wing 22? We have the TH-57, Bell 206, which is the civilian version, and Druvh helicopters. But Dhruv are not operational at this time. Even the authorities announced that for the rescue of Army logistics is used. The country can not remain without someone to provide support facilities. If someone requires an aircraft in an emergency, here are the Army. Ie not only we can support, but also other branches of the Armed Forces But Army personnel is ready to perform rescues? You are experts at this. First they have to be trained and we have given ourselves. Hence the importance of recovering the aircraft. At this time the rescue and evacuation capacity is diminished. We require that these ships are recovered, but that will be determined politically. But we need aircraft with the same characteristics of the Dhruv: with two engines, with capacity to carry two stretchers, four passengers. That is the current requirement, from day to day. What does being diminished? We do not have the means to accomplish the mission. But this is serious ... Sure. So the Institutional Control is concerned to recover aircraft were injured. How many helicopters needed to accomplish the tasks at 100%? About 12 aircraft; other than those we already have. That will allow us to cover all sectors. In two accidents Dhruv, authorities said there was human error. How is the formation of a pilot? You had the opportunity to see up close how the helicopter pilot trains. Not an eventual training is a process that begins in the aviation school. There is passed four years to train as a military pilot, and after those four years, continues to train to train as helicopter pilot. They are formative years. The FAE has well trained and skilled pilots. Then, speaking of human failure would not mean that relates directly to the pilot? Not necessarily the pilot, can be maintenance people doing technical work. Maybe they associate, but different circumstances that exist in an accident.

    Aerotécnicos de la FAE sometieron a revisión a 3 Dhruv que aún quedan | El Comercio
     
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    Ecuador cuts helicopter contract with Indian state company | idrw.org

    Ecuador cuts helicopter contract with Indian state company

    Ecuador says it’s unilaterally ending a contract with India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, which sold seven military helicopters to the South American nation.
    At least four of the Dhruv helicopters delivered between 2009 and 2012 have crashed. One was assigned to transport President Rafael Correa, though he wasn’t in the aircraft at the time.
    Defense Minister Fernando Cordero announced the action during a news conference Wednesday. He said two of the crashes were caused by mechanical failures. The three remaining Dhruv have been grounded.
    Ecuador earlier complained that the Indian company had failed to ship some parts for the helicopters, which were bought for a total of $45.2 million.
    HAL’s website says the multirole Dhruv can carry as many as 12 passengers and two crewmembers. Nepal and Mauritius also operate Dhruv.

    Not the right way to business by HAL, Where MOD is pitching in for export we go nowhere with this type of attitude
     
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    What happened was that we entered into the competition with a company that was incapable of supporting it's products after a sale has been made. It is a step-by-step process to get yourself there, be one with the leading corporate entities. HAL may have acquired the technical/industrial capability to create weapons/utility platforms but as a corporate company it is no better than BSNL, Air India or the other poorly-structured and supported Govt. companies.

    The way forward is indeed privatization. If not for R&D, then atleast let them do the manufacturing, aftersales support etc.
     
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    Dhruv & LUH should be marketed by private companies and head the after sales service

    But it is unlikely to happen with HAL
     
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    Another reason is that Mk1 & Mk2 are highly unreliable. Ecuador one of these version. With Mk3 reliability has improved drastically.
     
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    That's where HAL should have stepped in and offered to help upgrade the Ecuadorian Dhruvs to near-Mk3 standard. Especially in light of the happening crashes. Somehow, no one in HAL or the Govt. had the idea that trust-building measures had to be taken to ensure the confidence
    of HAL's first big international customer.

    Thanks to this episode, any other country in South America too would have serious reservations about going with HAL. Let's hope they don't
    screw up the Surinamese deal too - it's the second chance we wanted and we shouldn't let that slip.
     
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    2 crashes were human error and the 2 in Jan were defects. The defects happened after Ecuador did not renew a maintenance contract, or say HAL says.

    Dhruv has multiple international operators. Nobody's reported major problems. This is a case of what has happened to Mig-21s in India.
     
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    I prefer that India not sell anything abroad till our armed forces use the equipment for substantial period of time and are satisfied with performance. There was no need to export Dhruvs when our own fleet had lots of issues.
     
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    RFQ has been issued for Surveillance Radar for ALH.
     
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    India seeks EASA certification for HAL-built Dhruv advanced light helicopters

    India is seeking certification from the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) for its Dhruv advanced light helicopters, as Ecuador considers returning the helicopters after a series of crashes.

    Four of seven Dhruv helicopters supplied to Ecuador have crashed during the period October 2009 to January 2015.

    The Ecuadorian Government has constituted Court of Inquiry (CoI) in each case which concluded that human errors caused the first two accidents.

    Two other CoI reports have not been released by Ecuador Government, citing confidentiality, Indian Ministry of Defence (MoD) said in a statement.

    However, the aircraft manufacturer Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) analysed the flight data recorders (FDR) records and discovered that the third accident was due to 'pilot associated oscillation (human error)' and the cause of the fourth accident was 'failure of tail drive shaft attributed to maintenance lapse by Ecuadorian team'.

    The EASA certification will help HAL increase the export potential in global market.

    HAL also plans to propose long-term onsite maintenance support for three to five years in future contracts.

    "Four of seven Dhruv helicopters supplied to Ecuador have crashed during the period October 2009 to January 2015."
    In June 2008, HAL received the first export order for Dhruv helicopters for the air force of Ecuador.

    Dhruv is equipped with advanced technologies such as anti-resonance vibration isolation system (ARI), full authority digital electronic control (FADEC), hingeless main rotor, bearingless tail rotor, and an automatic flight control system.

    Israel Aerospace Industries has developed an integrated helicopter avionics suite for the Dhruv, which includes day-and-night observation, electronic warfare suite, observation and targeting, and a flexible weapons carrying system.

    http://www.airforce-technology.com/...uilt-dhruv-advanced-light-helicopters-5682461


     
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    Ecuador must be banned from buying aircraft, they crash half of any type they buy.
     
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