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Discussion of CAG reports - specially those on armed forces

Discussion in 'International Relations' started by Paliwal Warrior, Mar 29, 2015.

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  1. Paliwal Warrior

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    first

    lets look a the cost of the program development costs

    this is as official as it can get

    Rs 8294.39 crore till october 2014

    also if we take engine & EWS then
    it comes to around

    8294.39 + 2839 + 154.74 = Rs 11288.13 crores only against 50000 crores being touted in many articles to bash DRDO ADA HAL
     
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    Next important point

    Pl Note , mark 7 understand the highlighted & Increaased font size part

    Page no 14 - Audit Objectives (1.5) & Source of Audit criteria (benchmarks / standards ) (1.6)

    1.5 Audit objectives

    The execution of the LCA programme was examined to assess the extent of

    i. Achievement of Air Staff Requirement (ASR) and Weaponisation of LCA;

    ii. Indigenous capability developed through LCA programme;

    iii. Development and manufacturing of LCA (AF) including setting up of manufacturing facilities at HAL;

    iv. The preparedness of IAF to induct LCA into Service and consequent operational impact.

    1.6 Sources of Audit Criteria

    The sources of Audit Criteria were:

    The Air Staff Requirement of 1985;

    Ministry of Defence’s (MoD) sanction letters and approvals of Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) including papers leading thereto;

    Procedure for Design, Development and Production of Military Aircraft and Airborne Stores (DDPMAS) – 2002;

    Minutes of meetings of General body, Governing Body of ADA, Empowered Committee, Programme Management Team of IAF, HAL
    Board of Directors etc.;

    Memorandums of Understanding, Consultancy contracts, supply orders entered into by ADA and HAL and MoD contracts with HAL for
    supply of LCA;

    Papers relating to the Work services and IAF preparedness for induction into IAF and operation of LCA;

    LCA trial reports, reports of various committees and certifying agencies;

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    when people cite this audit report and say that tejas has missed the ASR

    they forget to read the audit report in detail and understand what is being staed based on what

    for eg

    if you look at this audit report and the highlighted part

    it is clear that the audit report point out deficineces of Tejas in meeting ASR

    but those part of ASR which tejas fails to meet are based on ASR of 1985 as made clear by this Audit report

    now as we know the ASR were changed thrie

    Original ASR in 1985
    new ASR in 1993
    then new ASR in 2000's

    so importat question to be asked before declaring Tejas as having missed meeting the ASR is this

    does any of the ASR which Tejas missed were dropped form the requiremnt of 1985 ASR due to changes in Subsequent ASR in 1993 & 2000's

    i.e.

    is some thing was in ASR of 1985
    then in new ASR of 1993 it got dropped by IAF itself
    then some points got dropped by IAF in ASR of 2000's

    so finally the Tejas will be meeting the ASR of 1993 & 2000's

    but those points which got dropped off by IAF itself from original ASR of 1985 will be missed by Tejas

    now this audit report benchmarks Tejas against ASR of 1985 and hence the audit report will say that Tejas has missed 20 points from 1985 ASR but & while in reality & practically Tejas would have fulfilled the 1993 & 2000's ASR changes asked for by IAF

    so it is important to know what was in ASR of 1985 ASR of 1993 ASR of 2000;s and what has been missed & achieved comprehensively before making a bold statement of Tejas misses IAF ASR and is not fit for induction

    i hope i ma clear on the above
     
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    Another important Audit observation

    page no 20

    delay due to continued design modification

    Audit observed that delays pertaining to achievement of milestones of FSED
    Phase II were mainly on account of continued design modifications on LCA
    (discussed at Chapter IV Para 4.5.1) and low availability of aircraft (discussed
    at Chapter IV Para 4.2.3).
     
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    The biggest problem with IAF is that they will ask for design changes to home grown products but will buy whatever shit is offered to them from abroad provided the bribe is right.
     
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