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Discussion & Updates on Palestinian statehood bid

Discussion in 'International Politics' started by Hembo, Sep 19, 2011.

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  1. Hembo

    Hembo OLD MOD STAR MEMBER

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    19 September 2011 Last updated at 01:21 GMT
    BBC poll shows narrow support for Palestinian state

    Palestinian leaders go to the United Nations in New York this week to ask to become recognised as a state

    A BBC-GlobeScan poll suggests more people back UN recognition of Palestine as an independent state than oppose it.

    Across the 19 countries surveyed, 49% supported the proposal while 21% said their government should oppose it.

    The Palestinians say they will ask for full membership at the UN this week but the US says it will veto the move.

    International Middle East envoy Tony Blair told the BBC he wants to make sure the move does not undermine chances of a return to peace talks.

    The Palestinians are seeking international recognition of their state based on 1967 borders - the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip.

    Israel and the US say a Palestinian state can only be achieved through direct negotiation.

    The last round of peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians broke down a year ago.

    Mr Blair, the envoy for the Quartet of Middle East mediators - the EU, UN, Russia and the US - said he was trying to reach agreement on a framework for a return to talks.

    "My objective is to secure a basis on which we can renew negotiations," he told the BBC's UN correspondent, Barbara Plett.

    He stressed he did not want to stop the Palestinians from going to the UN.

    But, he added, "it's only if the two sides sit down together in negotiation that we're going to get what the Palestinians really need, which is a viable Palestinian state, and what the Israelis need, which is a state that guarantees Israel's security."

    Varying support

    The poll, jointly conducted by the BBC and GlobeScan, saw majority support in four predominantly Muslim countries, with Chinese people also strongly endorsing the proposal.

    Even in countries where opposition was strongest, more people polled supported the resolution than were against it.

    The United States and the Philippines both polled 36% against the resolution. But 45% of Americans and 56% of Filipinos backed recognition.

    The lowest level of support was in India, with 32% in favour and 25% opposed, with many undecided.

    Support was strongest in Egypt, where 90% were in favour and only 9% opposed.

    In other Muslim countries, Turkey recorded 60% support, 19% opposition; Pakistan 52% for, 12 against; and Indonesia 51% for, 16% against.

    Chinese were among the most enthusiastic supporters, with 56% in favour and just 9% opposed.

    Public opinion in the three large European Union member states included in the poll was strikingly similar on the issue: France (54% support, 20% opposition), Germany (53% v 28%) and the UK (53% v 26%).

    Overall, 30% opted for not giving a definite answer as they thought their country should abstain, or "it depends", or they did not offer a view.

    But more than half of Russians and Chileans did not offer a definite opinion.

    A total of 20,466 people in 19 countries were interviewed, either face-to-face or by telephone between 3 July and 29 August this year. The margin of error ranges from + or - 2.1% to 3.5%.

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  2. Ahmad

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    They have to have their state on their own land, otherwise if injustice continue on those people, the terrorists will always have a reason to recruit people and Americans will be hated even among ordinary people.
     
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    I think a solution for all parties living in peace is requiredf. Jews Muslims and christians. What we must try to avoid is creating an atmosphere where extremism takes over in any sect. Here lies the major issues in any confrontation.
     
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    Contradictory title?
     
  5. december

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    please change the title to match the content.......

    BTW only a free state of palestine is the answer for stable & peacful middle east ,I dont know why americans are against............

    Are they ready to go to any length for israel
     
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    Half the senate is Jewish and the other are Zionists hence Israel is always first - even if the consensus of opinion is different
     
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    They dont want a peaceful Middle East. With oil in their hands, they can boss around the world, US just doesn't want that!
     
  8. Manmohan Yadav

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    Although Israel is a strategic ally of India,
    I still support the Palestinian state,
    the People there deserve their rights.

    At the same time,
    i would also like there to be peace and stability between Palestine and Israel,
    Israel is our strategic ally, its well being certainly affects us.
     
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    I support the Israeli people and Jerusalem should be part of Israel and also Palestinian people should integrate with Israel and live happy ever after. Fairytale???? Fantasy???? or delusion???? I don't know.
     
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    I think if we remove extremism why not? That would be my dream too
     
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    I think this forum needs a poll.
    BTW i supports Palestinian state.
     
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    I dont know much about indian policy with regards to these issues, but as far as i heard, they have taken sensible approach to it.
     
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    Obama Making Final Push to Blunt Palestinian BidPublished September 21, 2011
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    NEW YORK – President Barack Obama will publicly push for the Palestinians to drop a statehood bid when he addresses the U.N. General Assembly as he scrambled to head off a diplomatic clash.

    Obama will follow up his speech Wednesday with separate meetings with Israeli and Palestinian leaders as he seeks to coax both parties back to direct peace talks.

    At the same time, U.S. officials are conceding that they probably cannot prevent Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas from moving forward with a request to the U.N. Security Council for full Palestinian membership.

    Recognizing that Abbas seems intent to proceed, Obama is expected to privately ask the Palestinian leader to essentially drop the move for statehood recognition after Abbas delivers a formal letter of intent to the U.N. on Friday.

    "The president will say, frankly, the same thing in private that he'll say in public, which is that we do not believe that this is the best course of action for achieving Palestinian aspirations," White House deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes said.

    Obama will also meet Wednesday with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    The Obama administration has pledged to veto any Palestinian statehood bid, arguing that only direct peace negotiations, not a U.N. vote, would allow the Palestinians to achieve the benefits of statehood.

    With peace talks stalled, the U.S. and international partners have been negotiating intensely this week over the steps it would take to bring the two sides back to the negotiating table.

    The new approach being considered would see the "quartet" of Mideast peace mediators -- the U.S., European Union, United Nations and Russia -- issue a statement addressing both Palestinian and Israeli concerns and setting a timetable for a return to the long-stalled peace talks, officials close to the diplomatic talks said.

    Israel would have to accept its pre-1967 borders with land exchanges as the basis for a two-state solution, and the Palestinians would have to recognize Israel's Jewish character if they were to reach a deal quickly, officials close to the talks said. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss ongoing diplomacy.

    The White House publicly appeared to hold out slight hope that enough progress could be made to stop Abbas from formally requesting statehood recognition.

    "President Abbas has indicated his determination to go to the Security Council, so we take him at his word on that," Rhodes said.

    The simmering situation is far from the scenario Obama envisioned when he spoke at the U.N. one year ago.

    "We should reach for what's best within ourselves," Obama said last September in pushing for negotiated agreement on a sovereign Palestinian state. "If we do, when we come back here next year, we can have an agreement that will lead to a new member of the United Nations."

    While the Palestinian statehood bid has overshadowed Obama's time at the U.N., he is also expected to use his speech to the international body to reflect on the sweeping changes in the world over the past year, most notably in the Arab world.

    Rhodes said the president also would highlight significant foreign policy developments for the U.S., such as drawing down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as the killing of al Qaeda terrorist leader Usama bin Laden.

    Obama on Wednesday also planned to hold bilateral meetings on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly. He was to meet with leaders from Britain, France, Japan and South Sudan, the world's newest nation.
     
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    We have always supported Palestinian statehood. Thats our official Stand.
     
  15. legalize logic

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    Not to be the pessimist in here but how's the Palestinian bid going to negotiate the American veto?I welcome the idea of a free Palestine but how's recognition from the UN going to change the present situation for Palestinians?
     
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