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Do we need Private players In Small arms industry????

Discussion in 'Indian Defence Industry' started by MilSpec, Apr 25, 2012.

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  1. MilSpec

    MilSpec Mod MODERATOR

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    With antiquity of OFB made arms and ammunition, is it time for GoI to relax the laws and let private player in the small arms manufacturing market????
     
  2. Wolf 9

    Wolf 9 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Indian requirements are huge , to fulfill that GoI have to go for Indian private players . Can't depends on public sector companies only .
    I guess .
     
  3. Manmohan Yadav

    Manmohan Yadav Brigadier STAR MEMBER

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    SIMPLY SAID ANSWERS IS


    Yes !!!
     
  4. MilSpec

    MilSpec Mod MODERATOR

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    What kind of requirements can be projected for the standing forces in the next decade?
     
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    Marqueur Peaceful Silence ELITE MEMBER

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    Yes sir ...we do need them ... will save lots of tax payers money ...
     
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    Devil Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    agree with marq
     
  7. Picard

    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    Yes, but only under strict control.
     
  8. Gessler

    Gessler BANNED BANNED

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    We need private players.

    The state-run agencies do not deliver at all. for which we are being forced to buy from russia who doubles
    up the prices every fortnight:angry:
     
  9. Picard

    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    Well, over here we had state-run shipyards, which were working well until politicians destroyed them on orders from EU; we have state-run Djuro Djakovic, which works well, and has made M95 - a development on M84, and is head and shoulders above it - which politicians have shown no interest in producing... point is, state-owned firms over here functioned well until politicians decided to actively srew them over. Are you sure situation isn't same in India?
     
  10. Manmohan Yadav

    Manmohan Yadav Brigadier STAR MEMBER

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    We can adopt the US arms regulations act for regulating
    our Private sector defense industry, its a good example.
     
  11. Himanshu Pandey

    Himanshu Pandey Don't get mad, get even. STAR MEMBER

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    YES and Need them Urgent
     
  12. Gessler

    Gessler BANNED BANNED

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    The situation is more or less the same, brother.But in Croatia's case your state-run corp. produced
    weapons finely until politicians ruined it. But in India's case, politicians ruined our industry straight
    from the beginning.

    The reason is again corruption, as it is India always has this option to buy weapons from aboard,
    the politicians are always after the kickbacks they get from foreign companies by influencing the
    ministry of defence or top-brass leadership to buy their product from aboard. We kept on looking
    for imports this way...this is why indigenous efforts like Tejas LCA fighter take so long to get
    inducted. The corrupt guys in the MOd do not allow HAL enough funds, infrastructure and other
    things needed to finish the project on time.

    Same thing happended with the Arjun MBT tank. M-95 Degman is great, so was Arjun. M-95 couldn't
    be mass produced, same with Arjun. Only 248 Arjuns have been ordered out of the expected
    800 needed to get benefit in making the product.

    Reason? Corruption again. Our defense ministry and even Army's top-brass received vast kickbacks
    from Russia to buy more of thier T-90 MBTs. T-90 is not bad, but it isn't better than Arjun. Arjun
    is more mobile, its hydro-pneumatic suspension is as good as Abrams, its armor "Kanchan" is comparable
    to the Chobam of Challenger-II.

    The armor in a trial in year 2000 could resist a hit from a T-72 at point-blank range -

    Kanchan armor | wikipedia.org

    I cant believe even the upgraded Arjun MK-2 isn't getting anywhere due to kickbacks for the
    T-90AM "Armata" tank from Russia, an upgrade option for T-90S/M.

    You may have already noted...in areas where foreign sale of equipment is forbidden (such as ballistic
    missiles, etc.) our state-run companies like DRDO are still shining very good.

    Agni-V | wikipedia.org

    Agni-5 ICBM...range: 5000 to 8000km, CEP: just 25m. Speed: Mach 24

    Its one of the most capable missiles out there,

    no foreign sale = no kickbacks = no corruption = competitve indigenous products
     
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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    Well, yes... now I'm going in non-defense parts, but take for example our food production: Croatia has capacity to produce enough food to feed its entire populace, create surplus AND export large quantities of food. Yet we leave our food to rot and instead import lower quality food from abroad (Italy, China, US, Hungary). Why? Our politicians are bought by foreign corporations. Weapons industry and shipyards I commented about.

    As long as lobbying is allowed and there are no referendums, democracy doesn't exist... representative democracy is a joke.
     
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    ^^I hate it when politicians sell themselves to foreigners and dent their country's
    own capacity to strive.

    sh!t...political prostitutes:frown:
     
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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    Yes... but it's fault of the system as much or more than fault of the individuals.

    With great power comes great selfishness, and system ought to be made in a way to put that problem under control or remove it, not to encourage it. Which is why I think that representative democracy cannot work.
     
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