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Doklam Plateau - India, Bhutan and China Stand-Off

Discussion in 'Defence Analysis' started by Bloom 17, Jul 3, 2017.

  1. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    It does not. The same thing also says that it is the crest line which will be the boundary with Mount Gyamochi as a reference only. The boundary is the crest line.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Exactly, all previous agreements become subject to any new agreement signed between two parties. It is a settled question in law. The binding treaty is only that of 2012 as Bhutan was not a party to 1890 treaty. Bhutan is a part of 2012 treaty which makes it trilateral.
     
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    Yes..but Chinese are too dumb to understand that.
     
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    IAS Raj has ruined the country....
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    yes. I agree on this point with you only partially. The 1848 agreement between the Dogra rulers acting on behalf of Sikhs had agreed on a boundary line. Anderson line is a complete figment of imagination. The correct boundary between the J&K state and Tibet is what Chinese presented in 1913. And that is inbetween what is claimed by India and the LAC in that sector. Chinese correctly built a road thru their area in 1957. They cud have easily made that road much deeper in Aksai Chin.
     
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    Chinese know it very well but they are using this lacuna to gain strategic advantage. What is their POV? They say that they are in a territory which is disputed between Bhutan and China and since it is disputed, their claim is correct that it is their territory. So, in their POV, India has no reason to be their and hence India is an aggressor.
    Look at any dispute they had with any nation regarding boundary. They have always claimed only those areas as theirs which are either jutting in to their maps or which give them tactical advantage. Have a look at Barahoti and the areas to the north of Bhutan claimed by Chinese as their own.
     
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    Their claim is not correct. In fact it's very unfair and invalid. They are trying to overpower their smaller and weaker peaceful nation Bhutan. We can't let them eat the territory of bhutan as they did in case of Tibet.
     
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    I am posting here the crest line from Mount Gipmochi.
    upload_2017-8-9_20-26-46.png

    Where does the boundary lie if we take crest line and run of river as the boundary? Mount Gipmochi and the dockalam plateau are same. The darker area is the lower area and the yellowish area defines the crest line. What Chinese are trying to do is that they are interpreting the line from Sinche La to Gipmochi to be the boundary which as can be seen is neither the crestline nor the river which defines the border even as per 1890 agreement.
     
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    Chinese are interpreting it as this.
    upload_2017-8-9_20-35-40.png

    Anyone can see that you have crossed two crest lines to reach Mount Gipmochi from Sinche La. A crestline is always defined as a continuous line and not which is broken by valleys and rivers.
     
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    The mention of Mount Gipmochi is only w.r.t the height of the crest line. It is just a reference. If we follow that logic, the whole treaty of 1890 falls flat as the boundary line will need to cross a valley and a river as shown below.
    upload_2017-8-9_20-45-11.png

    The correct crest line is
    upload_2017-8-9_20-47-37.png

    Everyone knows that Dokalam plateau is higher than even Nathu La Pass. So how can we have a crest line lower than the Dokalam Plateau?
     
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    The map is incorrectly marked for Gyamochen
     
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    Incorrect.
     
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    Pls show what in your opinion is correct.
     
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    Not an opinion. I can mark the area, having been there for first time in my life back in 1993.


    2.PNG

    Mt Gyamochen is due West as indicated above. It lies due North-East of River Jhaldhaka (not marked).

    The bluish tinge is to indicate Area of Responsibility of 164 Mountain Brigade, earlier forward based at Kupup (hidden by ade of 'Brigade' due to map marking) due South-East but withdrawn to Pakyong as CBM after first few rounds of Indo-China Border JWG. This led to Chinese occupation of the Eastern Ridge of Jelep-La.

    The Red tinge is to denote the area claimed by Chinese. Will give open sources/maps subsequently.

    I would love to have comments of @NS52 here, as he knows the area thoroughly.

    Sorry, it takes time to make maps and this one was done in a hurry and has Mt Gyamochen still 2 mm off from the top most peak. Just collate.
     
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    1.PNG Permanent Indian location next to Trijunction
     
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