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Donald Trump vows 'new vetting' to weed out Islamic terrorists

Discussion in 'The Americas' started by lca-fan, Jan 28, 2017.

  1. AbRaj

    AbRaj Captain FULL MEMBER

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    True.For example in past Scottish and Irish separatists did several bombings and target killings to achieve their goal.

    But the problem with Muslims is deeper and originates from ancient Arabic Culture (the birthplace of Islam) and loose loose codification of Qur'an.
    Using Qur'anic hugely vague scripture anyone can justify virtually any heinous crime imaginable by human mind like (beheading, rape,slavery, etc) by just declaring the victims as nonmuslim/blasphemer/idols worshipper etc etc.

    Islam is an easy tool to incite violence to achieve whatever one want
     
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    VCheng RIDER GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

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    The problem is not Islam. The problem is the ignorance of its followers, that have defiled the religion into what we see today. The important thing here is to realize that the effective solution lies in attacking the basics causes that lead to that ignorance and not just with the results thereof. I will also amend your last sentence to say that "Any religion is an easy tool to incite violence among the ignorant".
     
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    I said Islam because it is rigid ,nonadaptive.
    And Qur'an is highly vague. It uses Arabic which not more than 10% understand correctly.
     
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    What causes any religion to become rigid and non-adaptive is orthodoxical interpretations that can cause problems only if they dominate a society. If you think the Quran is vague, try reading the Bible. These are the Dark Days of Islam, just like what Christianity had in the Middle Ages, for example.
     
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    True , they to have done massacred thousands of non Christians in past. So does Hinduism and Bodhissm.
    I was talking about present.
     
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    And for "toning down" you need a popular and knowledgeable leader who could educate and convince the masses. I don't know any Muslim leader who is capable to do that
     
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    Given that we agree on that, what is happening currently is just another period in mankind's history. And just like all the times before, we will all come through it, of that I am quite sure.
     
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    Agreed 100%. Actually, make it 1000%.
     
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    True but hope it cost less bloodshed than previous religions.
    And given the large following of Islam its chances is very high
     
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    VCheng RIDER GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

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    Meh. Mankind has gone on quite well after a few million deaths now and then. I share your hope that it does not happen, but it will not be the end even if it does.
     
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    Natural method of population control
    :mrgreen::mrgreen:
     
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    No, but one particular religion is making one hell of an attempt to gain exclusive rights over it.
     
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    Not at all. What is happening these days took decades to mature, with a multitude of causes.
     
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    Not really, the virus has been present since the early '90s, it's just that its spread has been accelerated by the internet and mobile phones.
     
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    Trump came to power after frustration with mainstream party platforms after it became poisonous to speak openly and honestly about culture and immigration.
    Predictably, desperate middle Americans turned to the only voices willing to at least give lip service to their concern. Although that has come with much baggage.
    Some folks really just fear terrorism and others are against the idea of a foreign race migrating altogether. But I think if we are honest, the real point of contention is generally culture. I think this is understandable. People want to preserve their community. But when refugees are concerned, we need a world-order that we can rely upon to provide some mechanism for persecuted innocents, wherever they are from, to securely continue their livelihoods. With respect to hierarchy of needs, this should come out on top insofar as feasible. That doesn't always mean they need to head to any one country or continent. But there has to be some pathway.

    And if culture is the problem, let's find ways to tackle that. Non-Islamic countries need a strategy to facilitate genuine liberalism in Islamic communities (and communities of religious fundamentalists in general), domestically and abroad. The human value destroyed by religious fundamentalism, with thought crimes, restrictions on minorities and women, and intellectual laziness is orders of magnitude greater than terrorism. Terrorism is horrible but not a strategic threat. Let's sanction countries for if they refuse to offer proper education to girls, if the government will not at least demonstrate an attempt at tangible political and cultural progress.

    Since some political parties rely on support from the religious fundamentalists of their own stripe, I suppose it's hard to appear genuine while criticizing others even when criticism is needed. When we tolerate our own brand of fundamentalism and give them too much quarter, others get the idea that they can demand their backwardness be equally tolerated.
     
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