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Donald Trump's closest advisor Steve Bannon thinks there will be war with China in the next few year

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  1. lca-fan

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    Steve Bannon: 'We're going to war in the South China Sea ... no doubt'
    Thursday 2 February 2017 03.55 GMTLast modified on Thursday 2 February 2017 15.10 GMT

    The United States and China will fight a war within the next 10 years over islands in the South China Sea, and “there’s no doubt about that”. At the same time, the US will be in another “major” war in the Middle East.

    Those are the views – nine months ago at least – of one of the most powerful men in Donald Trump’s administration, Steve Bannon, the former head of far-right news website Breitbart who is now chief strategist at the White House.

    In the first weeks of Trump’s presidency, Bannon has emerged as a central figure. He was appointed to the “principals committee” of the National Security Council in a highly unusual move and was influential in the recent travel ban on citizens from seven Muslim-majority countries, overruling Department of Homeland Security officials who felt the order did not apply to green card holders.

    While many in Trump’s team are outspoken critics of China, in radio shows Bannon hosted for Breitbart he makes plain the two largest threats to America: China and Islam.

    “We’re going to war in the South China Sea in five to 10 years,” he said in March 2016. “There’s no doubt about that. They’re taking their sandbars and making basically stationary aircraft carriers and putting missiles on those. They come here to the United States in front of our face – and you understand how important face is – and say it’s an ancient territorial sea.”

    China says nearly the entire South China Sea falls within its territory, with half a dozen other countries maintaining partially overlapping claims. China has built a series of artificial islands on reefs and rocks in attempt to bolster its position, complete with military-length airstrips and anti-aircraft weapons.

    Bannon’s sentiments and his position in Trump’s inner circle add to fears of a military confrontation with China, after secretary of state Rex Tillerson said that the US would deny China access to the seven artificial islands. Experts warned any blockade would lead to war.

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    Bannon is clearly wary of China’s growing clout in Asia and beyond, framing the relationship as entirely adversarial, predicting a global culture clash in the coming years.

    “You have an expansionist Islam and you have an expansionist China. Right? They are motivated. They’re arrogant. They’re on the march. And they think the Judeo-Christian west is on the retreat,” Bannon said during a February 2016 radio show.

    On the day Trump was inaugurated, China’s military warned that war between the two countries was a real possibility.

    “A ‘war within the president’s term’ or ‘war breaking out tonight’ are not just slogans, they are becoming a practical reality,” an official wrote on the website of the People’s Liberation Army.

    Aside from conflict between armies, Bannon repeatedly focused on his perception that Christianity around the world is under threat.

    In one radio show, used to promote an article incorrectly claiming that a mosque had been built at the North Pole, Bannon focused heavily on China’s oppression of Christian groups.

    “The one thing the Chinese fear more than America … they fear Christianity more than anything,” he said.

    But China is not the only hotspot Bannon sees, and forecasts another ground war for American troops in the Middle East.

    “Some of these situations may get a little unpleasant,” Bannon said in November 2015. “But you know what, we’re in a war. We’re clearly going into, I think, a major shooting war in the Middle East again.”

    He also branded Islam as “the most radical” religion in the world, and moved swiftly since entering the White House to enact policies hostile to Muslims. Some have called Trump’s central doctrine a “war on Islam”.

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    Trump Impact? China Tests Missile With 10 Nuclear Warheads: Report
    World | Press Trust of India | Updated: February 02, 2017 15:32 IST
    BEIJING: China has reportedly tested a new version of a missile that can carry up to 10 nuclear warheads, signalling a major shift in its nuclear capability as Beijing gears up for a possible military showdown with the US under the leadership of President Donald Trump.

    The flight test of the DF-5C missile was carried out last month using 10 multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicles, or MIRVs, the Washington Free Beacon reported. The test of the inert warheads was monitored closely by US intelligence agencies, said two officials familiar with reports of the missile test.

    The Dongfeng-5C missile, carrying 10 dummy warheads, was launched from the Taiyuan Space Launch Centre in Shanxi province, and flew to a desert in western China, the report said.

    The missile is a new variant of the DF-5, an intercontinental ballistic missile that first went into service in the early 1980's.

    "The [Defence Department] routinely monitors Chinese military developments and accounts for PLA capabilities in our defence plans," Pentagon spokesman Commander Gary Ross was quoted as saying by the report.

    For decades, the US has put the estimated number of warheads in China's nuclear arsenal at about 250. But the report suggested that the latest test with 10 warheads meant the actual number could be larger.


    China also began adding warheads to older DF-5 missiles in February last year, according to US intelligence agencies. US defence officials have previously warned that China's rapid development of long-range ballistic missiles, coupled with a lack of transparency about its nuclear capabilities, could bring uncertainty to stability in the region.

    The timing of the test coincided with the election of Donald Trump as US President who signalled a tougher stance against China over a range of issues, from the trade deficit to Beijing's military build-up in the disputed South China Sea.

    Chinese military expert from an institute affiliated with the People's Liberation Army, (PLA) said a new test would not have been aimed at Trump.

    "The test of a nuclear missile requires permission from the highest level - the Central Military Commission. It takes at least one year for the military to get the approval and to prepare for it," the Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post quoted unnamed expert as saying.


    "It is not a random decision to be made just because Trump is now in office," the expert said.

    Although China had made steady progress in nuclear arms development in recent years, the government had no plans to drastically adjust its nuclear policy, the expert said.

    Also recent commentaries in the official media here said China is stepping up preparedness for a possible military conflict with US after Trump election.

    A commentary in the official website of People's Liberation Army's (PLA) said on January 20 the day Trump assumed Presidency that the chances of war have become "more real" amid a more complex security situation in Asia Pacific.

    The commentary written by an official at the national defence mobilisation department in the Central Military Commission, China's overall military high command said the call for a US rebalancing of its strategy in Asia, military deployments in the East and South China Seas and the instillation of a missile defence system in South Korea were hot spots getting closer to ignition.

    "A war within the President's term or war breaking out tonight are not just slogans, they are becoming a practical reality," the commentary said.

    Recent images purporting to show China's Dongfeng-41 missile have surfaced on Chinese websites with reports suggesting that Beijing has deployed them in Heilongjiang province, which borders Russia.

    The missile, with a range of 14,000 km and a payload of 10-12 nuclear warheads, is considered one of the military's most powerful.

    Global Times, a state-run tabloid in a recent commentary said the deployment of the DF-41 was a "strategic deterrence tool" and Beijing would "ready itself for pressures imposed by the new US government".
    http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/trum...ssile-with-10-nuclear-warheads-report-1655330
     
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    World War 3 brews quietly as US-China gears up for military clash with nukes, warmongers: 3 developments
    China and the United States of America are apparently quietly gearing up for a military showdown over the South China Sea controversy.
    By: FE Online | Updated: February 2, 2017 5:59 PM
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    [​IMG]A Chinese flag flanked by US flags. A Chinese military official had said last week that war with the United States under President Donald Trump was becoming “more real”. (Reuters)

    Something is not right about the world today. It appears that China and the United States of America are quietly gearing up for a military showdown over the South China Sea controversy and a host of other issues of conflict. US President Donald Trump has been vocal against Chinese policies since his campaign time. And China has also not taken Trump’s verbal attacks silently. At least, not the Chinese media.

    Ever since becoming the President, Trump has made his vision for the world clear — that is America first. There are at least three recent developments that show both countries are quietly preparing for a military confrontation. Two nuclear powers engaged in a military conflict is the worst the world can imagine. But, with warmongers and weapons on both sides, all unimaginable things can be possible.

    Here are the three recent developments:

    1. Chinese military official says war with the US is “becoming a practical reality”

    A Chinese military official had said last week that war with the United States under President Donald Trump was becoming “more real”. The official was quoted as saying this on People’s Liberation Army website. South China Morning Post reported on January 27 that China has “stepped up” its preparedness for a military conflict with the US. “‘A war within the president’s term’ or ‘war breaking out tonight’ are not just slogans, they are becoming a practical reality,” it reported the PLA as saying.


    In another article, China’s official People’s Daily had said the country would continue military exercises in the “high seas regardless of foreign provocations”.

    2. Donald Trump appoints man who advocated war with China to the “principals committee” of National Security Council





























    Trump has appointed Steve Bannon to the “principals committee” of the US National Security Council. Bannon is a war hawk. Last year in March, Bannon, who used to run far-right Breitbart news website, had said, “We’re going to war in the South China Sea in five to 10 years.” Not just Bannon, Trump has another war hawk Rex Tillerson as US Secretary of State. Tillerson had recently said that the US would deny China access to the seven artificial islands in South China sea, even as experts warned that any blockade would lead to war.

    3. China tests missile that can carry 10 nuclear warheads

    China has reportedly tested a new version of a missile that can carry up to 10 nuclear warheads. The DF-5C missile was tested last month using 10 multiple independently targetable reentry vehicles, or MIRVs, a report in the Washington Free Beacon said. The was monitored closely by US intelligence agencies had closely monitored the test of the inert warheads.


    The missile test is a proof of a shift in Chinese strategy as it is apparently preparing itself for a war with Trump’s US.

    China claims that it owns almost the entire South China Sea. It has also built a series of artificial islands on reefs and rocks in a bid strengthen its position, complete with military length airstrips and anti-aircraft weapons.
    http://www.financialexpress.com/wor...-with-nuclear-missile-test-warmongers/535175/
     
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    I don't know why Indian govt. has not increased the defence budget significantly this year? The world is definitely not going to be safe in coming years and whatever defence purchase from abroad should be done sooner rather than later as once the war breaks no one will give you any weapon. Also we should focus more on in house weapons like LCA, Arjun, Su 30mki, Pinaka, etc. instead of imported ones. Huge thrust should be given for indigenous weapons building capabilities, target should be 80-90% in house weapons.
     
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    ^^ Whats the use of hiking Defence budget, when 40,000 crores was returned this year from Capex budget.
     
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    First thing: Symbolism
    Second: More allocation for the procurement.
    Additional advantage: More exports to pakistan for burnol.
     
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    The US is full & well aware of China's economic power. They simply can't do much against PRC beyond tough talk. China has become something of a tactical genius in recent times - it won't start a war it knows it can't win. So when it does start a war in the SCS, it will be when the odds are totally in their favor. If the US joins that war, it'll be a military disaster of unparalleled scale - much worse & more humiliating than Vietnam. These so-called war mongers in the US political hierarchy, whether its Rex or Bannon, end of the day, don't know anything about war. I'm waiting for the day when they draw up the most elaborate war plan to secure US interests in SCS...only for Mattis to slap them across the face & explain why it's not possible. Mattis is the balance for these idiots.

    China will not start a conventional military campaign in SCS until & unless it knows that it enjoys absolute tactical superiority...through ships, planes, electronic weapons, and the scores of conventionally-armed ballistic & cruise missiles. In a tactical first-strike, China can disable most SCS militaries' air, army & naval bases purely through use of conventional weapons. By the time the US can prepare any effective response, the Chinese would have already secured & established regional air, surface & sub-surface superiority.

    Only way to ensure regional balance in SCS is if Japan & Vietnam (or at least Japan) acquire nuclear weapons. Both strategic & tactical ones. The use of tactical nukes on battlefields where the Japanese are losing would deter a conventional Chinese assault. If China threatens strategic attacks on Japanese heartland, the Japanese should be able to respond in kind by ensuring MAD of the major population centers on the Chinese mainland.

    I'm willing to bet that within the next 10-15 years, Japan will be a declared nuclear weapons state. They have the technology & the money - a 1st or even 2nd generation (thermonuclear) weapon can be prepared in under 2 years of development time. As of delivery vehicles, JAXA has first-class space rockets that are already much ahead of anything India & mostly anything China has built so far. A ballistic missile can be envisaged & developed in a similar timeframe.
     
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    Defence spending as a proportion of GDP and the national budget has hit a new low this year under this GoI at 1.6% of GDP and this is the projected figure for next year and the forseeable future also.

    Clearly the GoI isn't expecting a war involving India (quite naive IMHO) nor are they preparing for one.
     
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    I want to agree with you but that would just be short sightedness. India really needs to work on the economic aspect of the internal people. With a huge supply of skilled manpower, it needs to provide for jobs and investments. This will actually come from demand and infrastructure. This is the vicious circle that has to be repeated again and again for growth to happen.

    The classic example is just next door.. China. Great GDP... way better defense budget but still far far away from being a superpower. The reason is the economic conditions of local population.
     
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    No, you're 100% right, the GoI has much greater priorities than defence right now and spending in education, health, R&D and infrastructure will have actual long term benefits many times over whilst funding missiles and jets that will likely never be used is not an investement you will ever really get a return on.

    That doesn't mean it is smart to take one's eye off the ball and it is a fact India is spending the least it ever has on defence (as a proportion of GDP) that only points to one thing- the GoI aren't interested in conflict nor are they expecting it.

    It is a hard balance to make, fingers crossed India sees 1-2 decades of high economic growth, stability and thus prosperity BUT this low level defence spending COULD come back and bite the GoI in the a$$ if the worst were to happen and in this unpredictable region one can never know what is around the corner.....
     
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    Steve Bannon said that in March 2016....He wasn't a white house official then....
    Now that he is, after receiving official CIA briefings, he must have seen how utterly powerful China is....
    If he really wants to go to war....It won't be like shooting Untrained...Disorganised....Middle Eastern Groups with obsolete equipment.....

    The Americans are much more powerful....but are they ready to pay the price of losing thousands of soldiers and billions of dollars !?
    Are the american people ready for a war !?
    China is no pushover...They will fight till the very last man/tank/ship/plane....(Thanks to years of communist propaganda)


    However a trade war seems much more doable.....
     
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    China claims South China Sea, Taiwan, some of India and some of Russia. Somebody has to do something or it'll probably end with them claiming most of Asia and the Pacific.
     
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    And that's why it could go nuclear. China has relatively few warheads and even less ICBMs and the US has a far better ABM system, especially with SM3-IIA arriving next year.

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    And you'd actually be surprised how much easier it is to fight such an enemy. Fighting Middle Eastern Groups is actually difficult. They have few assets and most of what they do have is hidden under schools and Mosques so they can cry foul when it is targeted. They wear no uniform and drive civilian vehicles and generally hide behind civilians. China on the other hand has real high value assets that can be targeted with thousands of cruise missiles from the get-go. Of course China has more of an offensive capability too, rather than resorting to blowing up its own people in the hope that the UN will care. But the US can hit China very hard conventionally without even setting foot in the South China Sea, or flying into territory that China can even defend. Strategically China is gridlocked between nations that don't really like it, like SK and Japan, who wouldn't tolerate Chinese military vessels encroaching on their territory and in naval terms China doesn't have the capacity to project power outside its own seas against the US Navy. Everything on East Coast, Beijing, Shanghai and Fuijin etc. could be cruise missiled from the opposite side of Japan. Chengdu could be hit by sub-launched cruise missiles, or stealth fighters too.

    What can China do against the US mainland? Well nothing unless it signs its own death certificate by firing some ICBMs, which would get shot down mid-course.

    That said, nobody wants war, they just want China to be more realistic about its claims.
     
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    There wont be any war .US wont go for a war against China without any powerful ally and India wont bend for that .Japan and others are not match for them.
    But Trump initiated a trade war .First casualities was tyre exports of China.
     

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