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Dornier plane purchase approved by cabinet worth 2500 cr

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by BlackOpsIndia, Nov 23, 2016.

  1. vstol jockey

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    she is no more my daughter but a warrior and defender of our nation. However within this birth of hers and mine she will always be my daughter. This can't change.
     
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    She's the daughter of the nation now sir. You must be very proud of her.
     
  3. BlackOpsIndia

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    Beautiful! :india:
     
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    Cabinet gives its nod to buy Dornier surveillance aircraft

    NEW DELHI: The Cabinet Committee on Security today gave its nod to buy 12 upgraded Dornier surveillance aircraft for Indian Navy at a cost of about Rs 2,500 crore. Defence sources said the proposal was first given Acceptance of Necessity (AoN) by the Defence Acquisition Council in October 2014 and has finally being approved by the CCS, chaired by Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

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    The aircraft will be manufactured by state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) at its Transport Aircraft Division (TAD) in Kanpur, where over 120 of the type have been produced since 1984. Maritime surveillance and patrol variants of the Do-228 have been modified by HAL to cater for a host of equipment demanded by the navy including surveillance radar, FLIR (forward looking infrared), ESM (electronic support measures), satellite communications, data links, speech secrecy equipment, TCAS (traffic collision avoidance system) and EGPWS (enhanced ground proximity warning system), among others.

    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...dornier-surveillance/articleshow/55586141.cms

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  5. BlackOpsIndia

    BlackOpsIndia Developers Guild Developers -IT and R&D

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    At 30 million/aircraft it will be very costly. We can get C295 for this price but I guess main reason is surveillance and not transportation.
     
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    R!CK 2nd Lieutant Technical Analyst

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    The airframe is quite cheap, the equipment is what drives the cost. As you rightly mentioned, these are for maritime patrol and not for transportation/training purposes. As the sophistication of units increases, costs increases. And nobody said C295 won't join IN at a later date. :angel:

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    Look how IN's Maritime Domain Awareness programme is coming of age:

    Naval Chief Admiral RK Dhowan told India Strategic in an interview that it was imperative to expand the Indian Navy’s “maritime surveillance footprint to meet operational requirements” with 12 Boeing P-8I Long Range Maritime Reconnaissance (LRMR), nine MRMR (Medium Range Maritime Reconnaissance) and 12 Dornier 228 Short Range Maritime Reconnsaissance (SRMR) aircraft.

    Admiral Dhowan said that the Naval Air Arm, which marked its 61st anniversary in 2014, is poise for significant growth as part of the Navy’s capability development plan. “The naval aviation acquisition is aimed at supporting fighter and integral helicopter operations from the two Carrier Task Forces…This includes 12 P-8I Maritime Patrol Aircraft. We have also initiated the process to acquire 12 Dornier SRMR and nine MRMR aircraft.

    Qualitative Requirements (QRs) for the MRMR aircraft are being finalized but they would have capabilities similar to the LRMRs except that their range would be shorter. The Dorniers would be used for Electronic Warfare (EW) to secure one’s own communications and disrupt those of an enemy.


    http://www.indiastrategic.in/topsto...ir_warfare_capability_says_Admiral_Dhowan.htm

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  7. BlackOpsIndia

    BlackOpsIndia Developers Guild Developers -IT and R&D

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    So 9 C295 are possible? seems like a good fit to the requirement at a cheaper price or they have something else in mind?
     
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    C295 is the most probable candidate after the Avro replacement program was won by Airbus. IN and ICG are probably waiting for IAF to ink the contract. This project is expected to be signed early next FY for IAF and at a later stage for IN and ICG.

    Some other possible candidates:

    C130 MPA: Now in development, this C-130 variant is for the maritime patrol/Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) missions. The endurance of the SC-130J leads to more time to locate and engage targets, fewer sorties required to achieve needed coverage and the ability to do more with fewer aircraft. Capabilities include ASW sensors, ASW/Anti-Surface Warfare (ASuW) weapons, endurance, and low-altitude operations.

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    C27 MPA:
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    • Standardized Minotaur mission system across all Coast Guard fixed-wing aircraft (under development)
    • Military communications
    • Multimode radar
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    Embraer P-99. The Embraer R-99 and P-99 are military versions of the ERJ 145 civil regional jet. The P-99/EMB 145 MP is the maritime patrol version of the R-99 and can carry on the traditional MPA roles when fitted with suitable sensor suites. It is powered by two AE 3007 turbofan engines. The P-99 also has four underwing hardpoints, which can be mounted with a variety of torpedoes and/or anti-ship missiles. Its maximum speed is 834 kmph, range is 3,019 km plus internal tanks and service ceiling is 11,278 metres.

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    Bombardier Aerospace. Bombardier Aerospace has delivered over 300 specialised aircraft around the world for a full range of missions like C4ISR, maritime patrol, search and rescue, executive transport, logistics support, etc. Havilland Canada produced Dash 8 or DHC-8 which are now produced by Bombardier Aerospace. and its MPA variant is DHC-8MPA-D8. It is in service with US, Japan and Iceland. D8 is a twin-engined, medium-range, turboprop aircraft and comes in four series, i.e. 100, 200, 300 and 400. Series 400 has a maximum operating altitude of 8,230 m and range (w/typical pax) is 2,522 km.

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    Falcon 900 MPA. The Falcon 900 MPA is a variant of the Falcon 900 DX business jet. For Falcon 900DX, Dassault has modified the design of the former Falcon 900s to create a much improved aircraft. The frame is almost entirely constructed of carbon fibre and Kevlar (featured specifically in the tailcone, radome and cabin doors). The naval variant can be used for many types of maritime missions like ASW, ASuW, ISR, EEZ surveillance, surveillance of sea lanes of communication), SAR, coastal surveillance, etc. It has a advance mission suite which integrates 360° rotating maritime surveillance radar, forward looking infrared system, ESM suite, acoustic system with sonobuoys launcher and self-protection system. It is supported by an efficient communications suite. It is powered by three turbofan engines equipped, has a cruise speed of Mach 0.85 and range of 1,200 km.

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    Antonov An-74MP. The An-74MP is a derivative of An-74 transport aircraft. The maritime patrol aircraft ensures security across coastal areas in all-weather conditions. It can also be used for search and rescue (SAR), electronic and radio reconnaissance and for detection of marine pollution. It can also be equipped with cannon, missiles, unguided missiles, aerial bombs and optional anti-ship missiles. It is powered with turbojet engines providing a maximum speed of 725 kmph, range of 3,704 km and endurance of eight to nine hours.

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    Antonov An-148-300 MP. It has also been reported that Russia may offer An-148-300 MP instead of An-74MP. It’s also a high-wing twin-jet but the engines are mounted under the wings. The regional passenger jet like the An-148 is more efficient operations at higher altitude thereby providing better maritime range and time on station. It is also a contender for the India’s light transport requirement.

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    Saab 2000 MPA. The Saab 2000 MPA can carry out multiple maritime patrolling roles like is a ISR, and ASuW. It has an advance sensor and C4I package comprising of 360° rotating maritime surveillance radar, multimode electro-optical sensor, Automatic Identification System (AIS), Identify Friend of Foe, ESM, self-protection system, SATCOM and data link. The aircraft has a maximum cruise speed of 350 kt and patrol speed of 160 kt. It can endure airborne for more than 9.5 hours. It patrols an EEZ of 200 nm for 5.5 hours at an altitude of 2,000 ft. Maximum range of the aircraft is more than 3,700 km.

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    Alenia Aermacchi ATR 72 MP. The ATR 72 MPA is derived from ATR 72-600 platform for primarily carrying out surveillance and reconnaissance, maritime patrol and SAR missions. It is equipped with Selex Galileo ATOS mission system, which is interfaced with onboard sensors and equipment to perform electronic surveillance, optical reconnaissance, vessel identification and pollution detection. ATR 72 MP is powered by two turboprops engines which provide a maximum cruise speed of 248 kt and an endurance of 10 hours.

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  9. Ankit Kumar 001

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    C295W and Falcon series from Dassault. If the ruffles about an assembly line for Falcon series in India is indeed true , it will give tough competition to C295W.

    However I would prefer commonality and would love to see C295W as the universal platform for India in 10 Ton category.
     
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    Still better if we shift DRDO AEWCS from EMB145 to C295W.
     
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    The options are truly limitless.

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    I'm not sure about having AEWs on turboprops as opposed to jets. With turbofan platforms like EMB145, Il-76 and A330, you can fly faster & higher which allows you to cover more distance sooner.

    Advisable for a country with large territory to cover...like India.
     
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    I guess C295 will be selected, we already have 56 on order, we can order more with possible MII? or offsets?
     
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