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DRDO QRSAM and SPYDER Air Defence Systems

Discussion in 'Indian Military Doctrine' started by ni8mare, Feb 13, 2017.

  1. ni8mare

    ni8mare FULL MEMBER

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    MMMR: MUlTI-MODE MISSION RADAR (HAVE BOTH AIR AND SURFACE SURVEILLANCE)

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    It can be see MLV MMR etc are mounted on 8 x 8 TATA high mobility truck in 6 missile config (expected 8 missile though) boost to MII
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    The altitude of QRSAM seems disappointing. While its enough to cover all helicopters and most of UAVs. Fighter Jets fly higher.

    A flight altitude of atleast 8-10km would have been very good.
     
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    Aqwoyk Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    And that is where Akash comes handy ..................
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Akash has a different role. That's why a QR SAM project is being done.

    Akash under its primary objective provides protection to Air Bases, Important Head Quarters, Weapon Storage centers, Forward Bases and important modes of communication or transport infrastructure.

    Its more of a defensive approach system.

    While QRSAM is totally different , its meant to be mobile and provide protection primarily to moving Army Formations in a war. Or to provide protection to a particular infrastructure which gains importance while war is on. It can go there and quickly set up the defence system.

    Both Systems are not meant to coordinate with each other. So Akash won't come handy where a QR SAM lags.

    PS: The MBDA proposal for QR SAM JV had 12 km as the maximum engagement altitude. And most Aircraft don't fly more high with a war weapons load , thus providing full proof solution.
     
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    Ved Mishra Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Exactly. May be they are not disclosing the actual range. If not then I don't understand how the range of VL Astra could be so less!!!! Here I presume the missile is Astra.
    http://trishul-trident.blogspot.in/2017/02/aero-india-2017-highlights-2.html?m=1
     
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    Jets coming in to attack do not fly high so that they are not detected. A jet flying above engagement envelope of qrsam is most likely to be picked by barak 8s radar long before he is anywhere near crossing the border, thereby forcing him to either turn around or drop altitude where he will be in the engagement envelope of qrsam
     
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    But these days the fighters can drop PGMs from around 60-100 km away. How do we deal with them. They can be painted and tracked but with what can they be hit at such range? How to defend against such PGMs which have been released?
     
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    This is not Astra, separate project.

    Army RFI don't ask for more, then what is the point of comparing with MICA VL.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Ok I agree to you both.

    Still I would want its envelop to be expanded a bit to upto ~8km or say around ~24-25000 feet where fighter jets flying in support of ground troop fly.

    Further if the missile being used there has the capability to go further up , all the while maintaining its minimum requirements of IA,it should be pursued e pursued
     
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    It's primarily to be deployed against attack helicopter and incoming projectiles is what I could perceive it to be if the missile is not Astra.

    But the missile itself is in question. What is it if not Astra?
     
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    Any Idea, What the RCS of loaded F-16 in A2G configuration (with and without Drop Tanks) in the C and X bands is...!?

    What is the current Battlefield Mobile Air defence system we use !?

    (The Soviet S-125 or The SA-6 I guess....)
     
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    It is for point defense and not area. This is a mobility troop defense solution. Most fighter are around around 50k feet or around 15 km as an altitude limit. They show up on the radar as a big flag. That is going to be a dogfight situation. Thats why air support is required.
     
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    To ALOQUIK : QR-SAM is for low-level air-defence. That's why it is referred to as quick-reaction. For targets flying at high altitudes, quick reaction is not called form since there's plenty of time available to select & warm-up the SAM Battery.
     
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    The Indian Air Force will in the next few weeks finish weaving a security web with the Israeli SPYDER air defence missile system on the western borders.


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    HIGHLIGHTS
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      The SPYDER (Surface-to-air PYthon and DERby) is a low-level, quick reaction missile (LLQRM).
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      It can neutralise hostile targets up to 15 km away and at heights between 20 and 9,000 metres.
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      The induction process was delayed by over three years.
    The Indian Air Force will in the next few weeks finish weaving a security web with the Israeli SPYDER air defence missile system on the western borders in a bid to strengthen its preparedness to strike down any aerial threat from Pakistan.

    The induction process was delayed by over three years due to the nonavailability of Czech-made Tatra trucks on which the missiles were to be carried.

    "The SPYDER missile system is already in the process of deployment along the western borders where it will help in tackling any aircraft, cruise missile, surveillance plane or drone that tries to violate our airspace," senior defence sources told MAIL TODAY.

    WHAT IS SPYDER?

    The SPYDER (Surface-to-air PYthon and DERby) is a low-level, quick reaction missile (LLQRM) to neutralise hostile targets up to 15 km away and at heights between 20 and 9,000 metres. The Python-5 is currently the most capable air-to-air missile (AAM) in Israel's inventory, while the Derby is an active radar homing AAM that provides the SPYDER missile system with a fireand-forget option.

    "The IAF will use the SPYDER along with the made-in-India Akash surface-to-air missile which has a little longer effective range of 25 km as part of a layered approach to defend vital assets and locations in the country," the sources stated.

    DEAL MADE IN 2008

    The SPYDER deal was completed by the IAF with Rafael and Israeli Aircraft Industries (IAI) in 2008 and supplies were to begin in three to four years. But the process got delayed due to the unavailability of the Tatra trucks, which got mired in a controversy over bribery allegations.

    "Due to the lack of heavy specialised trucks, changes had to be made in the contract with the vendors and a made-in-India truck has been used for carrying the SPYDER system, which has been tested extensively resulting in delays," the sources said.

    Both the SPYDER and Akash are all-weather missiles and the process to seek and engage an aggressive aircraft or missile is automatic. Besides aircraft and UAVs, they can also neutralise lowlevel cruise missiles.

    The IAF has taken a slew of measures to strengthen its air defence capabilities in the recent past as it is also going to deploy another air defence system called the Medium Range Surface to Air Missile (MRSAM) system from Israel, which can strike down targets at 50-70km.

    The force would receive a major boost when it starts getting the S-400 air defence missile system from Russia, which can take out targets at 400 km and can be very effective against enemy AWACS (Airborne Warning And Control System) and cruise missiles at great distances.
    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...rael-air-defence-missile-system/1/893019.html
     

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