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Encyclopedia Britannica states China was the first to discover and claim Xinjiang 2,075 years ago

Discussion in 'China & Asia Pacific' started by Martian, Jun 21, 2015.

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  1. Martian

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    Afghanistan was part of the Indian empire 2000 years ago. So were the lands up to Indonesia.

    By following the same rule as China, we should be in control of most of South Asia and large parts of ASEAN. Our borders should stretch from Iran to Australia.
     
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    You can go and argue with the Afghanis.

    The fact remains that Han Chinese never left Xinjiang. They were in Xinjiang 2,075 years ago and they are still there. Xinjiang has always been and remains Han Chinese.

    As you can see, the Indian analogy does not hold. There are no Indians in Afghanistan.
     
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    Even the Pakistanis are actually Indians.

    A single race doesn't define India.
     
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    Well by this analogy, Dubai has a lot of Indians and so has canada, UK is almost 50% indians and rest are others including the original british, by this example, we better make UK part of India. Part of Indian empire in Europe
     
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    During the times of Vikramaditiya whole of Middle east, Central asia and Tibet was part of India. So where does china stand regarding Tibet?
    Also, Tibet was conquered by a Dogra General Zorawar Singh in 18th century. So India is the last original ruler of Tibet. The so called Great wall of China never ever encompassed Tibet as part of Han empire, so will China vacate Tibet?
     
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    It is unfair the blanket on Vikramaditya. Vikramaditya's history is somehow not mentioned in any texts. The whole of Bible and Quran has been edited to delete his name. ANd none of western literature talks of Vikramaditya.

    What is the truth of Vetaal in Vikramaditya's story?? Is it real or fiction??
     
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    There will usually be technicalities and grey areas where we can dispute why the territory was annexed, its geographic location whether it was traditionally / first part of the same nation, or housed the same people, same culture or history, consideration of the desires of the indigenous people, security concerns of the nation, as well as the common good.

    These are all valid concerns. However, in these matters, it is clearest to approach the topic from more fundamental principles of what a healthy power-dynamic between humans looks like.

    For example reciprocity. One must always treat others according to how one would expect to be treated in their place.

    The Turks, too, must be afforded this respect. Put yourself in place of the Turks; how do think it be fair for Chinese to administer to and treat your people and culture? Put yourself in place of your neighbors. If you were from a neighboring country, how would you perceive Chinese territorial expansion? Does that influence how you expect would be reasonable for the international community of nations to view China?

    Fairly straightforward. Doing this does not make all other grievances of the nation and people involved disappear; but it helps place everything else in perspective.
     
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    Like the Chinese dude says its only 'Han Chinese' that matters. So they have an apt name 'Middle Kingdom'. Hindus can learn from the Han Chinese....uuh maybe not:troll:
     
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    Vikram and Betal are stories just like the 32 Pari on the base of his Throne. When you become really big, you also become a hero in the stories of folklore.
     
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    Vikram Betaal, stories could have been real, but now they are considered mere fantasies, but maybe if they were fantasies it was to highlight the wisdom and the kings ability to give justice to everyone
     
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