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Erdogan: Turkish Tank Program Is Ahead of Schedule

Discussion in 'International Politics' started by Manmohan Yadav, Nov 23, 2012.

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  1. Manmohan Yadav

    Manmohan Yadav Brigadier STAR MEMBER

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    ADAPAZARI, Turkey — Turkish government officials are predicting that a domestic armored vehicle company will deliver all prototypes of the country’s first national main battle tank by next year, “one or two years†ahead of time.

    Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan made the announcement Nov. 15, at a ceremony for the rollout of the first prototype in this western Turkish town.

    More than four years after signing a $500 million contract with the private company Otokar, Turkey is looking forward to obtaining the first four Altay prototypes next year.

    “The four prototypes will undergo performance tests throughout 2013, and then we will pass into the final prototypes and serial production,†Erdogan said. He did not give exact times.

    Erdogan added that with improvements in the past 10 years, since his government came to power, Turkey will now have the “unmanned aerial vehicles that only the United States and Israel†have in the world.

    “We are making arms that our Army needs, and that would be sold,†Erdogan said.

    On July 29, 2008, the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries (SSM), Turkey’s procurement agency, and Otokar signed an agreement for the design, development and production of the four prototypes.

    Later, South Korea’s Hyundai Rotem was tapped for the overall technical support business.

    Turkey’s Aselsan was chosen as the subcontractor for the tank’s fire control system and command, control and communications information system. State-owned MKEK was selected as the subcontractor for the 120mm primary weapon, and Roketsan was tasked with providing the armor.

    The tank was named after Army Gen. Fahrettin Altay, who commanded the 5th Cavalry Corps in the Turkish War of Independence.

    Hyundai Rotem was tasked with working closely with Turkey’s MKEK on the development of the tank’s 120mm main gun. The South Korean company will work with Roketsan on the tank’s armor.

    Accordingly, Otokar’s contract will be over when a total of four prototypes are built. As these prototypes will be accepted by the government’s procurement agency, a serial-production agreement will be signed.

    Procurement officials said Otokar is expected to get the serial production job as well. The serial production agreement will likely be effective in 2017, and together with the expected foreign orders, a first batch of at least 200 tanks is expected to be produced. The Altay will likely be the world’s most modern tank in the 60-ton category by then, Turkish procurement officials said.

    The tank will be operated by four soldiers. A mock-up of the first Altay was introduced to the Turkish public during the IDEF-2011 Fair in Istanbul.

    The tank’s electromagnetic test center was opened here last year. The company’s director general, Serdar Gorguc, said the center could be used by the world’s military and civilian manufacturers, with the company’s permission.

    But he and Kudret Onen, the head of the board of directors of Otokar, said the company would work without a partner if it were tasked with serial production. “We have all the capability to manufacture the tank,†Onen said.

    Otokar also makes several other armored vehicles, the best known being the Cobra, a four-wheel-drive vehicle used for reconnaissance and area control by the Turkish security forces and the armies of several other countries. It also manufactures six-wheel and eight-wheel versions of the Arma. The Altay is Otokar’s first tracked vehicle.

    Otokar also spearheads the Turkish defense industry’s export efforts, with the sale of several Cobras and the two types of Armas worth several hundred million dollars last year. The buyers are mainly in the Middle East, Southeast Asia and the Balkans.
     
  2. smestarz

    smestarz Lt. Colonel REGISTERED

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    This is really how projects should move. I guess their government does support them a lot for them to move this fast
    Our govt on other hand says that we support indigenous products but on same time are oggling over the commissions that a foreign deal might get them
     
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    True True TRUE.......................
     
  4. WMD

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    @Manmohan Yadav
    bro congrats on 1000 threads
     
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    The Tank looks good enough, almost on par with Arjun.

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    i wont consider it on par with arjun

    thanks :cheers:
     
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    Reason?
     
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    Arjun has rifled bore gun

    French Thermal sights

    German Engine and Design advisors

    Advanced kanchan Armour which is comparable to
    the finniest Armour like the Leopard.II and Challenger tanks

    Battle Field management system

    Ability to fire missiles from the Main 120mm barrel

    Turkish tank doesn't stand anywhere close to these features
     
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    Altay is not ready yet, and Rifled bore is not a boon at this stage of military development, sooner or later those rifled bore will wear out, and is more maintenance heavy.
     
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    Arjun mk-II has received only 124 orders
    the main reason behind a small order is said to b the heavy weight of the tank
    but AFAIK all the latest version of tanks like abrams, leopard, challenger, Merkava all weigh around the same
     
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    Depends on the terrain it'll operate, much of India's would be combat zone will be mountainous region. So arjun won't be effective there.
     
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    The turret looks bulky and heavy just like Arjun...
    But overall tank looks good.
     
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    If Arjun wont be effective then why Indian army has provided such a tech spec to DRDO...
     
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    Manmohan Yadav Brigadier STAR MEMBER

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    Maintenance heavy yes
    but they fire is more accurate and has a longer range of impact.

    Even the British challengers have a rifled bore L30A1 main gun,
    which allows the use of high explosive squash head (HESH) rounds in addition to
    APFSDS armour-piercing rounds.

    HESH rounds have a longer range of 8 Kms than APFSDS,
    and are more effective against buildings and thin-skinned vehicles.
     
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    On the contrary Arjun is far superior to the T-90s
    in the desert trail of IA they beat T-90s by leaps and bounds
    be it cross country race, maneuverability or fire power.

    earlier tanks did have some over heating problems,
    but now they have been fixed.

    Arjun took a direct hit from the Main gun of a T-72 tank
    at point blank range with no apparent damage to the Tank.

    Israel in its desert trails of the Arjun tank,
    labeled it the Ferrari of the Desert given its performance
     
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