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Eurofighter Typhoon v/s Dassault Rafale - Analysis

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by jagjitnatt, Apr 29, 2011.

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which aircraft do you prefer

  1. RAFALE

    177 vote(s)
    54.1%
  2. TYPHOON

    150 vote(s)
    45.9%
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  1. Dare2

    Dare2 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Tactics CAN. YOU posted a screenshot of a F/A-18 HUD kill on a F-22, more SPIN HERE?

    You really are lying and spinning aren't you? SHOW us me saying what you say i claim please...

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    Here reason for the F-22 lack of roll control, vortex breakdown and high pressure over the ailerons area...

    So "superior" is its aerodynamic, but of course you come up with fantasist figures, stuff out of reality proven WRONG time and time AGAIN as early as one posts scientific FACTS, but still keep yourself into this flaming denial stance...

    F-22 doesn't have this high sustained turn rate and NEEDS TVC to compensate for the low roll control authority, Rafale can pull 11.0 g, F-22 only 9.0 g...

    The horizontal tail surfaces or "stabilators" on the Raptor/Eagle/Viper/Flanker perform pitch and roll (together/differentially) The use of thrust vector for pitch control allows the stabilator to give more roll control.

    = Increased Induced DRAG. Stabilators are lifting surfaces on instable aircrafts in subsonic.

    Compared to:
    YET another experienced flight-test pilot making my point: Only aircraft with average aerodynamic efficiency are using or proposed with TVC.

    Gripen and Rafale doesn't need it.

    Here you go, reality strike for you, now you can go and learn your ABC because YOU are REALLY FUNNY with YOUR fantasies.

    Not eveyone have to invent stuff as you do to make an impression.

     
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    MiG-23MLD Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    yeah its you against the retired USAF pilot he says 28 deg/s, you say not, of course you are a F-22 pilot, yeah, you have been in RED flag, yeah yeah.


    The Raptor has LERXes, TVC nozzles, flies clean, no aerodynamic clutter, no external weapons, pylons or fuel tanks, has chines that increase lateral stability, twin fins than increase lateral stability, and a huge wing.


    The americans know that for 30 enemy planes (F-16s, F-18s or F-15s) only one Raptor is lost, that is its kill rate, has been killed? yes once in a while a F-15 might kill it, but here the american pilot said the F-22 were unbeaten in the exercise.


    who will we believe a batch or a F-22 pilot who flew there and claims no Mirage 2000 downed any F-22?
    no even Rafale did it, now i know you go to great lengths to claim Rafale is so superior to Eurofighter that is equal to te F-22, and you know that is not true so you claim TVC nozzles are not needed for post stall and internal weapon bays do not improve drag/lift ratio, but you know that is not true, but because you can not prove your irrealities your last resort is name calling
     
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    Dare2 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Repost, troll attack =:flame:
     
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    Dare2 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    NO BOY. It's OUR pilots vs YOUR SPINS TWISTS AND LIES.

    Raptor is like the rest them, follows the laws of aerodynamics and physics; its aerodynamics are FAR from being perfect, it has a higher wing loading and lower Structural load, and aerodynamic/physics says, before you CAN sustain a turn rate you first have to be able to reach it. Rafale = 11.0 g F-22 = 9.0 g.


    VS US LEGACY AIRCRAFTS, in BVR as well, the picture YOU posted proves it, they didn't come anywhere near this ratio vs Rafale did they?


    They do not claim such a thing AGAIN: They claim there were undefeated during a specific time frame and specific event NOT out of these.


    I KNOW YOU ARE SPINNING AND LYING.

    I KNOW GRIPEN DESIGNER PROVED IT.
    I KNOW ONERA AND EPNER-QUALIFIED TEST PILOTS PROVED IT.
    http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f7/eurofighter-typhoon-v-s-dassault-rafale-analysis-6127/index364.html#post126094

    I KNOW F-16, X-31, F-22 LACK OF CONTROL AUTHORITY MAKES MY CASE.
    http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f7/eurofighter-typhoon-v-s-dassault-rafale-analysis-6127/index364.html#post126212
    http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f7/eurofighter-typhoon-v-s-dassault-rafale-analysis-6127/index364.html#post126229
    http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f7/eurofighter-typhoon-v-s-dassault-rafale-analysis-6127/index370.html#post126900
    I KNOW RAFALE PASSED 100* AoA WITHOUHT TVC AND ONERA CONFIRMED THESE MANEUVERS WERE EVALUATED OPERATIONALY AFTER CG SIMULATION.
    I KNOW THE COBRA WAS PASSED BY Pugachev Su27 WITHOUT TVC AT THE PARIS AIRSHOW IN 1989.

    I KNOW YOU NEED TO LIE, SPIN AND KEEP DENYING EVIDENCES TO MAKE A FALSE CASE FOR YOUR DEAR RUSSIAN AIRCRAFTS WHICH CANNOT TURN AS TIGHT AS A GRIPEN OR A RAFALE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH LIFT TO DO SO.

    I KNOW YOU ARE A PROVEN TROLL.
     
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    Su-27 can not do kulbits or herbst maneouvers without TVC nozzles, that is the reason the new Su-35S has TVC nozzles; Rafale has not done a Cobra and all these fourth generation fighters use external weapons carriage so they add extra drag, they do not fly clean, Rafale is cluttered with weapon pylons, missiles and external fuel tanks, F-22 does not, the Su-35S clean might be very agile but for combat missions it needs to carry its weapons externally, ah a detail you do not want to see, F-22 is clean no clutter creating drag, it flies clean fully armed and fueled, Rafale flies with plenty of clutter that kills its aerodynamic efficiency, add it lacks TVC nozzles and you get a fighter not better than Eurofighter, it is a good jet, but not in the league of PAKFA, F-22 or even J-20, these last jets carry all inside, reducing not only RCS but also drag, this means higher effciency for their thrust and better turn rates.


    If you add external weapons to the F-22 yes it will degreate its aerodynamics and reduce its range and turn rates.
     
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    Troll attack: Repost. = :flame:
     
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    MiG-23MLD Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    answers for you

     
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    Troll attack repost. = :flame:
     
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    check several sources, the first source is the one that claims F-22 has a sustained turn rate of 28 deg/s

    watch minute 8:15


    here the Raptor pilot says undefeated
    LiveLeak.com - F-22 Undefeated at Al Dhafra: 27th FS pilot



    See he says 28 deg/s sustained hahaha so Mirage 2000 with 19 deg/s hardy will beat the F-22.


    It`s time to wake up Dare2, F-22 is the best western fighter
     
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    LIKE THESE?
    http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f7/eurofighter-typhoon-v-s-dassault-rafale-analysis-6127/index364.html#post126094
    http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f7/eurofighter-typhoon-v-s-dassault-rafale-analysis-6127/index364.html#post126212
    http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f7/eurofighter-typhoon-v-s-dassault-rafale-analysis-6127/index364.html#post126229
    http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f7/eurofighter-typhoon-v-s-dassault-rafale-analysis-6127/index370.html#post126900
    Manoeuvrabilité et aérodynamque pour les avions de combat - Images de science - Onera

    Makes my point: All TVC aircrafts lack control efficiency and/or LIFT.


    He doesn't talk about the engagements which took place out of the events.




    He is NOT a F-22 pilot and was talking the MICKEY out of Indian A-F Sukois, and this is NOT the 2009 ATLC but 2008 RED FLAG.

    Thanks for making my point...


    It's time to stop trolling, write your trolling page and go over it, our pilots says different and proved you WRONG among with all the other establishment which links i posted to prove my points, TVC doesn't make them better it just correct their aerodynamic efficiency, all your spinning, trolling and flaming isn't going to change reality. BOY...

    Time for your French lesson.
    He said it TWICE.... :lol:
     
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    Dare2 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    LIKE THESE?
    http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f7/eurofighter-typhoon-v-s-dassault-rafale-analysis-6127/index364.html#post126094
    http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f7/eurofighter-typhoon-v-s-dassault-rafale-analysis-6127/index364.html#post126212
    http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f7/eurofighter-typhoon-v-s-dassault-rafale-analysis-6127/index364.html#post126229
    http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f7/eurofighter-typhoon-v-s-dassault-rafale-analysis-6127/index370.html#post126900
    Manoeuvrabilité et aérodynamque pour les avions de combat - Images de science - Onera
    [​IMG]
    ALL Makes my point: All TVC aircrafts lacks aerodynamic control efficiency and/or LIFT, Gripen and Rafale CAN do and HAVE done post-stall without TVC.


    He doesn't talk about the engagements which took place out of the events.




    He is NOT a F-22 pilot and was talking the MICKEY out of Indian A-F Sukois, and this is NOT the 2009 ATLC but 2008 RED FLAG.

    Thanks for making my point...


    It's time to stop trolling, write your trolling page and go over it, our pilots says different and proved you WRONG among with all the other establishment which links i posted to prove my points, TVC doesn't make them better it just correct their aerodynamic efficiency, all your spinning, trolling and flaming isn't going to change reality. BOY...

    Time for your French lesson.
    He said it TWICE.... :lol:
     
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    [video=youtube_share;jNie0HzPmaY]http://youtu.be/jNie0HzPmaY[/video]
    Your "proof" :lol: STRIKE EAGLE PILOT????

    He would get SPANKED by "STRIKE" Rafale pilots of the 1/7...

    Got MORE funny videos as "proofs"?

    NOW, my time to take the mikey, i'm goig to use wikipedia as "proof" because it is your level or even slightly above most of the time so pay attention:

    TVC doesn't INCREASE turn rates; it allows for less LOSS in LIFT, induced DRAG and CONTROL authority due to a design lack of it all, a sound aerodynamic makes sure TVC is NOT necessary not even for post-stall maneuvers.
     
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    Yeah and the F-22 changed its sustained turn rate in 2009 was different from 2008 yeah, so mister romain is in complete contradiction with the F-22 pilots ah but let me see, the united arab emirate were first trashed officially and oiu le mirage won secretly in a secret round oiu Monsignor

    yeah yeah
     
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    oiu oui Monsignor

    why do not you read what ITP says

    http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf&AD=ADP011109

    INCREASED SUSTAINED TURN RATE
    that is figure 3 hahahah yeah continue reading your bloggs oiu oiu
     
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    No argument and certainly NOT any technical argument or the simplest answer to the links i posted.

    Otherwise said: NASA, ONERA, SAAB, SEVERAL EPNER-qualified test pilots proved YOU wrong.

    = Show a little respect for the members of this forum and stop taking the mickey, you are clearly NOW qualified for making all these funny assumptions and only managed to make a fool of yourself.

    And it is Capitain Romain for you boy, F-22 didn't DOMINATE Rafale at all, so FACTS doesn't counterdict him but YOU, the F-22 pilots NEVER mentions the Mirage 2000 event which took place out of the ATLC and ACMs...

    ONLY for aircraft which are LACKING in this area by virtue of lower aerodynamic efficiency, the list of links i posted proves it..

    TVC doesn't INCREASE turn rates; it allows for less LOSS in LIFT, induced DRAG and CONTROL authority due to a design lack of it all, a sound aerodynamic design makes sure TVC is NOT necessary, not even for post-stall maneuvers. HERE: Official evidences/proofs.
    http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f7/eurofighter-typhoon-v-s-dassault-rafale-analysis-6127/index364.html#post126094
    http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f7/eurofighter-typhoon-v-s-dassault-rafale-analysis-6127/index364.html#post126212
    http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f7/eurofighter-typhoon-v-s-dassault-rafale-analysis-6127/index364.html#post126229
    http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f7/eurofighter-typhoon-v-s-dassault-rafale-analysis-6127/index370.html#post126900
    http://www.ukintpress-conferences.com/conf/aero04/pres/spoelgen.pdf
    X-31, F-16, F-22, Typhoon, Su27/30, ALL have aerodynamic efficiency issues reducing their maneuvrability.

    Gripen and Rafale can do post-stall WITHOUT TVC.

    Rafale = 11.0 g, F-22 = 9.0 g.


    MORE spin and TWIST isn't going to save your day.
     
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