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Eurofighter Typhoon v/s Dassault Rafale - Analysis

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by jagjitnatt, Apr 29, 2011.

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which aircraft do you prefer

  1. RAFALE

    177 vote(s)
    54.1%
  2. TYPHOON

    150 vote(s)
    45.9%
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  1. DrSomnath999

    DrSomnath999 Major RESEARCHER

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    @randomradio

    i want to tell you, that many thing about Su35's capabilty is yet to be disclosed

    Su 35 is top of the food chain in the flanker family at the moment incorporating many 5th gen tech of russian aviation technology

    it's not that i could reply those claims of yours about SU35 but still then uncertainity & lack of clarity about SU35 deludes any conclusion or comparision with modern 4.5 gen fighters at the moment for us .




    CHEERS
     
  2. somedude

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    I'm not sure about the "instead of" part, previous stuff I've read presented it more as an "in addition to".
     
  3. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    I am talking about aspects which are known, and it is easy to discuss that. Like ESA vs MS, ESA wins. The ESA alone is a huge advantage and the radar is bigger.

    As for some of the known stuff, the Khibiny EW suite is similar to DASS. Apart from that, Su-35 also has access to special mission EW pods like the SAP-518 and SAP-14. EF doesn't have a similar system.

    Su-35 has SATCOM for communication and navigation, EF doesn't yet have one.

    Su-35 has more range and greater weapons and payload.

    MAWS and LWS gives the aircraft parity with the EF.

    As for the unknowns,
    Vstol says the AESA based R-77 is already operational, and that is also a massive advantage. Come with a range of 170Km.

    Su-35 is capable of supercruise because one report said the aircraft touched mach 1.2 and was still accelerating.

    The Su-35 beats the Typhoon on most of the known parameters alone. At least the Rafale's avionics are more developed.
     
  4. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Russians have also created QWIP based IRST and also operationalized it. They are soon going to have QWIP based sensor for even R-73 missile now called R-74M2. The MIG-35 OLS-UEM and OLS-K are now QWIP based.
    Rafale is yet to receive AESA based jammers but they are already operational on Mig-29K of IN.
     
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    nicolas10 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Wrong
     
  6. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Pls correct me with proof.
     
  7. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    Spectra has ECM with AESA based jammers.

    http://www.mbda-systems.com/mediagallery/files/spectra_ds.pdf
    They are replacing the GaAs modules with GaN. The jammer is the defining trait of Spectra.

    But yeah, both IAF and IN Mig-29s have AESA based jammers now.
     
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  8. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Thanks for correcting me. may be my info was abt Tr2 Rafale
     
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    Sure it is.

    [​IMG]

    We have top notch infrastructure, welfare, healthcare, education system, very high income, living standard, human development and more. Can low income and backward country like Russia match that? No wonder why Russian citizens top the list of asylum/refugee in EU, beating Somalia and Ethiopia on the chart.

    UK has $85 billion 8 run way floating island airport project, $130 billion high speed rail project under construction and many more housing and IT centres (Cambridge, Oxford, London Silicon Roundabout) projects across the country, what about Russia? Can it beat Rolls Royce, the world's largest aero engine maker? Can Russian transporters beat the sophistication and quality of BMW, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin, Bentley, Lamborghini Aventador, Ferrari, McLaren P1, Audi, Porsche, Hennessey Venom, Mercedes and more?

    Europe has chosen not to favour anything related to military since the collapsed of USSR. (cry me a river). There is no need to invade poor and vulnerable Russia by military force. The Soviet Union wasn't crushed by a foreign army but by the almighty economical strength of the western world which allowed to speed up the arms race to insane proportions while at the same time keeping the world´s highest living standards of the population. The Soviet Union wasn't able to keep up with neither of these two things and in the end the whole Eastern Bloc collapsed without one single NATO bomb falling on the Kremlin. The Soviet Union couldn't afford to invest as much money into new weapon systems like the west did which led to the breakup of the Soviet Union and the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact. Today its the same situation. Just compare how much all NATO members spend on their military and look at the numbers of Russia. Laughable.The same tactics are currently applied by the west against Russia and it looks like it will work once again.
     
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  10. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    The Russia GDP is about the size of California, and you are beginning to see what happens when an economy the of California goes head to head against the entire USA, EU, plus Japan, Australia. The worst is yet to come.....
     
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    So where would that leave Russian GDP (nominal) for 2014? I'm guessing it will be down roughly 40% in US dollars or $1.4 trillion or lower? California (made up of 38 million population) GDP is around $2 trillion.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Gyani say gyani milay, karay gyan kee baat, gadhaey say gahdha milay, maar maar kay laat,
    It means that when two wise men meet they talk wisdom but when asses meet, they kick eachother. Nice to see the US and US poodle tango here.
     
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    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    'Gross Domestic Product - GDP' The monetary value of all the finished goods and services produced within a country's borders in a specific time period, though GDP is usually calculated on an annual basis. The GDP does not change that much or that fast. It will be about the same, maybe percent or too less next year.

    Inflation is also a problem, about 10 percent in Russia. Inflation under control will sooner or later pay off in terms of better long-run performance and higher per capita income. High inflation decreases performance and per capita income which is where the Russian are already hurting.
     
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    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Vstol, you fail to understand one of the basic difference between India and the west. India is a hierarchical society. Within Indian culture, whether in the north or the south, Hindu or Muslim, urban or village, virtually all things, people, and groups of people are ranked according to various essential qualities. If one is attuned to the theme of hierarchy in India, one can discern it everywhere. Although India is a political democracy, in daily life there is little advocacy of or adherence to notions of equality. The rest of the world is not that way,

    India - Themes in Indian Society

    I don't think many Indian can understand a relationship where as according to Jefferson in the first draft of the declaration. of independence.
    We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness. USA sees UK and equal, we don't see or place people or countries in or according to a hierarchy.

    The Four-Way Test
    The Four-Way Test is a nonpartisan and nonsectarian ethical guide for business and personal relationships..:
    Of the things we think, say or do
    1. Is it the TRUTH?
    2. Is it FAIR to all concerned?
    3. Will it build GOODWILL and BETTER FRIENDSHIPS?
    4. Will it be BENEFICIAL to all concerned?
    That is the ideal, do we fail, often, but that is the gold standard. Can you imagine an Indian saying this is a fair deal for everyone concerned even though its not the best deal I can get.
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Can you imagine an Lockheed Martin saying this is a fair deal for everyone concerned even though its not the best deal I can get?:rofl:
     
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