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Eurofighter Typhoon v/s Dassault Rafale - Analysis

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by jagjitnatt, Apr 29, 2011.

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which aircraft do you prefer

  1. RAFALE

    177 vote(s)
    54.1%
  2. TYPHOON

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    45.9%
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  1. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Am related to a VP from Lockheed Martin, yes I can imagine them saying that.
     
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    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    F35

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    Lockheed Martin Corp. and the Pentagon reached an accord for the company to produce 71 more F-35 jet fighters, saying costs per plane have been reduced about 4 percent in a move that will protect the weapons system from automatic budget cuts.
    The decrease in costs “coupled with negotiating lower prices on a number of smaller contracts will allow the department to purchase all the aircraft originally planned, including those that were in jeopardy of being cut due to sequestration,” according to a joint statement today from the Pentagon’s F-35 program office and Bethesda, Maryland-based Lockheed, the world’s largest defense contractor.
    The contracts may be valued at as much as $7 billion, according to two people familiar with the deal who asked not to be identified while final details remained under negotiation. That’s down from an estimate of $9 billion cited by Pentagon officials discussing the pending contracts at a congressional hearing in April.
    The F-35 is the Pentagon’s costliest weapon system, with an estimated price tag of $391.2 billion for a fleet of 2,443 aircraft, up 68 percent from the projection in 2001, as measured in current dollars. The rising costs and troubles in building the plane as it’s still being developed have produced criticism in Congress.
    Congressional Cut
    The Senate Defense Appropriations subcommittee, taking action today on the defense budget for fiscal 2014, adopted a provision that would reduce to 36 from 42 the number of F-35 jets the Pentagon could buy from Lockheed during fiscal 2015. That’s the year the military wanted to start ramping up production to 42 from the current 29 jets annually.
    The reduction in such advance procurement is a setback to the Pentagon and Lockheed. The three other congressional defense panels that have acted so far on their respective budgets didn’t reduce the Pentagon’s request for funds next year to keep buying hard-to-manufacture parts for the jets to be purchased in 2015.
    In their announcement today, Lockheed and the Pentagon said that an “agreement in principle” has been reached on two contracts for 36 and 35 jets. The contracts include the first deliveries of jets for Australia, Norway, Italy and a fourth fighter for the U.K.
    Cost Details
    “Cost details will be released once both contracts are finalized, however, in general, the unit prices for all three” models of the jets will be at least four percent lower than the fifth production contract, according to the statement.
    The 35 aircraft in the seventh contract are estimated to cost 8 percent less than the fifth contract signed in December, according to the statement.
    “These two contracts represent a fair deal that is beneficial to the government and Lockheed Martin,”
    Lieutenant General Christopher Bogdan, the Pentagon’s F-35 program manager, said in the statement. “These agreements are proof that the cost arrow is moving in the right direction.”
    The 71 aircraft are in addition to 95 jets already under contract, 67 of which have been delivered.
     
  3. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    I see why you got confused. Spectra did not have an internal jammer when DARE was working on Mig-29's EW suite with the jammer. Basically, both India and France were working on AESA based jammer at the same time, even though the Indian jammer took a few more years to finish, though I don't know when it was ready.
     
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    This is good for domestic industry.

    You spent all that money on everything else except Typhoon. That's why the Russians are ahead.

    I didn't even read this.
     
  5. randomradio

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    Lol. You have no idea.

    Basically, what you are saying is you will go to a doctor when you have electricity fluctuation at home, you go to a barber when your gums hurt and you go to a dentist when you want to do your taxes.

    And nothing to do with Typhoon or Su-35.
     
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    As its economy collapses, Russia needs some help from its friends | The Independent

    Plunging rouble raises spectre of fresh financial crisis for Russia | The Financial Times

    Rouble’s dramatic decline gives Russia an economic headache | Business

    Putin Russia Emergency Funds Bank Bailout Dollar - Business Insider

    Dictator Putin spends more on all the poor Russian (who live on low income) people's hard earned money on useless tanks and nukes except anything that is meaningful and peaceful. Nothing new here! It would be sad if India followed the same route...

    No wonder when butthurted people expect to get pwned.
     
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    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    In order to oversimplify:

    There were two very important and successful study plans called CARAA (improved capabilities for AESA radar) mainly focused on physically dividing the AESA antenna, and INCAS (improved capabalities for spectra) including low band jammers and GaN modules. (plus DEDIRA, a very secrecive plan avout discretion of the plane, the only things we know about it is that it is flying and performing well. As no spotter ever found a changed plane cell, one must understand it is electronics.
    Spectra is getting these imrovements, including GaN jammers with F3-R (aswell as fully interlaced modes for RBE2)... And is already 360° jamming.
    Next online are Tragedac and Melbaa programs.
    Tragedac is about exchanging raw datas from sensors between planes.
    Melbaaa is about both GaN modules for RBE2, high speed datalink and parallel calculators chains from separated antennas.
    Gal Mercier recenltly stated, according to P. Tran that smart skin, Very high speed datalink and Electronic attack capabilities.

    In my humble opinion, there is a real scheme behind this for F4 version : 360° AESA raadar with separated antennas aswell as jamming, and real time cooperative sensors. In the end, a fusion between spectra and radar.
     
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    That's not how it works. Russia is an export based economy. It will collapse only if there are no buyers, but there are plenty of buyers available, even within the EU. Look up Germany.

    That's why they have larger military programs than the UK.

    India doesn't need to. Our economy is effectively twice that of UK and Russia put together.

    You don't need to worry about our "butthurt." India only has 4 fighter projects while UK has 1/4th of one and 1/10th of another. Not to mention our space program while the UK has none.
     
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    So, France will end up with only 4 generation Rafail for many more decades when other NATO countries are moving on with 5th generation stealth aircraft?
     
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    You're more ignorant than i initially thought. Do you realise that Russian economy is based on "oil, gas, and other natural resources" export. US is currently bringing down Russia to it's knee and cutting Putin's throat slowly by lowering oil/gas prices across the globe. I'd agree with Russian resilience if it's economy was mainly based on industrial manufacturing like Germany, China or US. But, sadly its not.

    Read above. And it is good for Berlin for getting massive discount from Moscow which couldn't stop falling both oil/gas prices and troubled ruble.

    That's why wealthy and smart Russians are flocking to western countries in order to seek better lives, higher living standard and prosperity.

    Russia's Smart People Are Leaving - Business Insider

    Russia’s young elite are fleeing the country because of Putin's hardline policies

    Why Are Russia's Young Entrepreneurs Fleeing the Country?

    Argentina grants asylum to young gay fleeing Russian discrimination

    Funny, last time i checked India has over 1.2 billion people and it's economy GDP nominal is still behind Brazil and it's income GDP per capita is still far behind South Africa. Let alone human development index, corruption, and the list goes on and on and on.

    What are you? A comedian or just a little ignorant lunatic suffering from inferiority complex?

    Regarding with the military satellite or space programmes...
     
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  11. randomradio

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    That's what I was saying, it exports oil and gas. You can't bring down such an economy unless you stop using natural resources. Germany is the biggest consumer of Russia's oil and gas. China is following up and India will too in the next few years.

    Berlin will soon be an equal customer to China and India. The Russians have little to be worried about as far as sanctions are concerned.

    Explains why Typhoon is inferior to the Su-35, right?

    Even then, India's economy is much larger.

    The only one butthurt here is you.

    That's nice. Most countries get richer as time passes, but not the UK. You canceled your space programs because you couldn't afford them anymore. Your future is still in CGI.
     
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    I smell jealousy. Here's $20 billion worth of space project... We are sure poor in every aspect and behind India in every single way you can imagine...


    UK to launch commercial spaceport by 2018

    The U.K. government is laying the groundwork for its first spaceport in anticipation of a growing space tourism demand and a growing space plane industry by 2030, according to a new timetable. Government officials also envision orbital launches from that country within the next 15 years.

    According to the new timetable, unveiled at the Farnborough International Airshow last month, the U.K. is planning to build $85.5 million spaceport and anticipates a space tourism market worth $65 million each year, as well as a space plane industry worth $33.9 billion by 2030.

    The timetable lays out a number of other specific dates: The spaceport could be operational from 2016; the first suborbital flight would occur in 2018; the first sub-orbital space plane satellite launch from the spaceport would take place in 2020; rocket engine testing for the orbital space plane would occur in 2026, and that space plane would be operational four years later.

    The rocket-engine testing refers to hybrid engines, which are used by the Skylon space plane, manufactured by U.K. company Reaction Engines.


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  13. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    UK only self-launched a single satellite (in 1971) and that from a commonwealth (Australian) spaceport. Later it joined the ESA, but not the launcher consortium Arianespace, therefore becoming the only nation that developed launch capability and then officially lost it.
     
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    Stupidity.

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    Russian Federation | Government | Putin worries about Russian economy

    Putin Seeks To Calm Investors' Worries Over Sanctions

    Sanctions hit Russian economy as ruble plummets

    'British Typhoons whacked India's Sukhois in joint exercises' - Yahoo News India

    And still significantly poor? :agree:
     
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    Yes, keep telling the Indian about what his culture is like, using your five-minute reading of an article on an American website as a source.

    Yes of course. That's why you're not sharing the F-35 source code with the UK.

    For example, giving smallpox blankets to natives -- a fair deal for everyone concerned! Also repeatedly expelling them from their land, telling them they can settle in that other land elsewhere, and then expelling them from that new land again. Telling them that they're safe after accepting a peace treaty, then slaughtering them all. The whole slavery deal, too. Americans are all about fairness and equality in their attitude with other people, as we can still see today in how policemen and random Black people in the street interact, and the Grand Jury decisions about these interactions. Truly, there is no hierarchy or caste system in the home of the free and land of the brave!
     
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