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Eurofighter Typhoon

Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by 500, Feb 27, 2011.

  1. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    WVR dogfights were simulated for classic gun kills. If you have to use missiles, SU-30MKI has best targeting system in the world for WVR missiles, even the main gun is coupled to OLS to provide targeting data.
     
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    Seems happened in all permutations and combinations means
    1 Su30 MKI Vs 1 Eurofighter
    2 Su30 MKI Vs 1 Eurofighter
    1 Su30 MKI Vs 2 Eurofighter
     
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    Yes that is how it is done.
     
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    No, they didn't.
     
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    No it doesn't. As well as IRST, which is more capable than OLS, ASRAAM has full 360 degree launch capability via HMCS, either through visual, ESM or 3rd party information from another aircraft. Besides that, ASRAAM can engage enemy aircraft directly, without radar, using PIRATE from well outside visual range.

    In this respect, a dogfight with a Typhoon is a complete misnomer because there's absolutely no circumstances under which it can possibly happen in any realistic scenario. The R-73 is limited to +/-60deg engagement, which is why Flankers need TVC, but that has the disadvantage of leaving them sitting ducks because it bleeds airspeed. They're also not IIR seeker-equipped.

    The Typhoon simply doesn't need TVC in a dogfight.
     
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    Yes they did. Remember this:



    Dissecting a dogfight: Sukhoi vs USAF at Red Flag 2008 | Russia & India Report

    Smoke and mirrors. Let's face it, even if every single flanker was shot down and didn't get a single kill, there's no way the IAF would come away and say, "our planes are shit," is there?
     
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    That's the same video USAF apologized for.

    And Red Flag wasn't about dog fights, but about large force engagements where MKI wasn't networked and didn't use radar.
     
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    And the problem is that we don't know the overall score and so far only have a partisan report with bits of positive information from one side. I could honestly predict the report from either side before any event takes place, regardless of what actually happens.
     
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    No he didn't.

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    I am reminded of a post in Typhoon vs Rafale thread where it was shown that Typhoon was rated much higher than Rafale in A2A and pilot workload. If that be the case, where do all other fighters stand w.r.t SU-30MKI in Europe and America or the entire western world.
     
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    Or it would mean that all IAF reports after these events are BS. It's just extremely bad journalism to only interview one side and take it as fact.
     
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    The only way to find out is start a war and that has never worked out well for any non-NATO fighters... ever.

    Before Desert Storm, everyone was like, "oh the MiG-29 will out-manoeuvre the F-15, the MiG-25 will shoot it down BVR," but when push comes to shove, all the Russian junk was either left falling from the sky in pieces on fire or defecting to Iran. Iraq was the 4th largest military in the world back then too, food for thought.
     
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    Do you remember Mig-21? How it whacked F-4 and F-104? Even in 1971 Indo-Pak war, Mig-21 defeated F-104 hands down.
     
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    The one who wrote that article is in a far too high a position to just lie. And there is no need for IAF to lie, especially when Parrikar wants IAF to buy more MKIs. A good MKI report is actually bad for IAF.

    You argue about Bill Sweetman being biased, Vishnu Som has no need for it. He is on BRF and other members will ask him questions about it. He reported about Red Flag too, and it is consistent with the current Typhoon report. You can believe what you want, but we actually trust Vishnu Som.

    Even British pilots were happy saying the Typhoon is the same generation as the MKI. That says a lot compared to the article you posted saying the Typhoon is next gen.
     

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