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Eurofighter Typhoon

Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by 500, Feb 27, 2011.

  1. BMD

    BMD Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    No they wouldn't. The F-22 doesn't have it for the reasons you think either. They have it to reduce drag in high speed turning, not for low speed tilting, which their trainers advise them is a 'bad' tactic and means you've effectively lost the fight if you use it, because it makes you a sitting duck.

    On a smaller aircraft like Typhoon, the weight impediment counteracts the cost benefit and the Typhoon is already very well designed for high speed manoeuvring.
     
  2. randomradio

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    The F-22's TVC uses only pitch. The maneuver that was clearly used to kill the Typhoons was the MKI's yaw maneuvers. The F-22 lacks that capability. So they aren't the same.

    Typhoon is definitely designed for high speed maneuvers, but that clearly didn't help. With lack of fuel on the Typhoon, the Flanker will clearly win any high speed maneuvering engagement because it can use more afterburner. Of course, there's also the better radar and better missiles on the MKI. Our pilot was clear when he said the MKI is superior to the Typhoon in both dog fights and BVR.
     
  3. BMD

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    Actually the pitch manoeuvre gives far better nose pointing because you're also using the wings. But if you think a 2nm restricted dogfight is realistic combat, rather than a mental pre-game warm-up, then you have some very delusional understandings of modern air combat that belong in the 1970s.

    32.6% really isn't a bad fuel fraction. The range isn't that limited at all. SFC-wise the Typhoon kills the Su-30.

    Indian Air Force 'beats RAF 12-0 in training exercise' – using Russian-designed jets - Home News - UK - The Independent

    Typhoon - Fuel Economy 0.68 km/l

    Su-30 - Fuel Economy 0.58 km/l

    So the range is probably similar and with supercruise and higher TWR, the Typhoon doesn't need to use afterburner as much. As for afterburner, please check out the SFCs on afterburner, the Su-30 is comically inefficient.

    Sorry, but 'fairly well' and 'results difficult to quantify' does not equal superior. Only Vishnu Som made that crap up.
     
  4. arulcharles

    arulcharles Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    The Truth is bitter
    Typhoon is Highly agile
    while Su 30 is maneuverable than Typhoon

    Su 30 still need better engine to outmaneuver Typhoon

    The upcoming TVC engine on Typhoon will move the typhoon to next level,
    One good thing about RAF is their Aircraft are regularly updated on the other hand what is the purpose of early retirement of Typhoon Tranche 1
     
  5. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Generally peaking i do not like to answer to exercise so called victories.
    But BMD is giving too large an opportunity. Can't miss it.
    Many reports talk about EFT fumbles (Paks, Indians, French etc.) Generally speaking, EFT seem to be the best looser ever....
     
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  6. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    The exact opposite of what our pilots say. They clearly mention the yaw maneuvers of the MKI killed Typhoon's superior hard turn capability.

    The only thing comical are your assertions. The Typhoon probably needs AB just to keep up with the MKI in a dog fight, no wonder it had to use 2 DTs just to keep up.

    Do you remember our long discussions on how the old two seater Su-27 could stay supersonic for over 50 minutes? The MKI simply does better. There is no way the Typhoon can even manage half that range.

    Flying the Flanker - The DEW Line
    Let's check that. If we assume 3 tons out of the 9.4 tons is used up for take off and reserve, then 110Kg/min would give me 58 minutes of supersonic time. If my jet's doing mach 1.3 for 58 minutes, then my jet's done about 1400Km. Lol. That's insane range at supersonic speeds. There's no way a Typhoon can maintain mach 1.3 for 60 whole minutes.

    The old Flanker was just that, very old. It had a very old engine and had much lesser range than the baseline Su-27, and it easily manages 60 minutes of supersonic speeds. The MKI on the other hand is far more aerodynamic and the engine is more refined than the baseline AL-31F.

    Vishnu Som and the IAF are in agreement. RAF is also in agreement since there has been no official rebuttal.

    Like when the Red Flag incident happened, the IAF officially provided a rebuttal saying Col Fornof's words were worth shit. Nothing of the sort happened with RAF. So even they are in agreement.

    LIVEFIST: Air Force sees RED
     
  7. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    Hahaha! This proves everything in Vishnu Som's article was right.



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    Pretty much saying, yeah we cleaned their clocks, but we didn't use real weapons... Lol.
     
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    G777 Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    All we are doing is destroying ourselves. I am sick of a lot of people in Britain who have lost their way. Some think they are smart but all they will do is create more hate and have no remorse when they bring themselves and others down.

    My point being is that people in charge cannot handle the situation, the state of this country is practically destined for downfall unless the people start using their brains and think logically. But they all did not listen, they failed.

    Too much failure imprints itself not just on the person but others too.

    People in the UK need to grow up and think about the future.
     
  10. DrSomnath999

    DrSomnath999 Major RESEARCHER

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    thats right !!
    thast why G777 is the right candidate for british PM :award:

    vote for G777 !! vote for G777!!

    CHEERS
     
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  11. randomradio

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    Why the Typhoon lost? Explained.

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    Bismarck BANNED BANNED

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    Guess this photo is edited in France..
     
  13. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Edition in France is in French (by law).
     
  14. randomradio

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    More success for Typhoon.

    Kuwait To Purchase 28 Typhoons
     
  15. DrSomnath999

    DrSomnath999 Major RESEARCHER

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    kuwait is a puppet of Saudis

    if saudis buy JF17 also they would buy that too:lol:

    CHEERS
     

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