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Eurofighter Typhoon

Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by 500, Feb 27, 2011.

  1. BMD

    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Well actually even WVR doesn't tell you much because if the Typhoon took the gloves off, it can fire at an enemy in any position WVR, behind, in front, or to the side, just by looking at them with the HMCS and firing an ASRAAM.
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Typhoon of WW2 was mainly a strike aircraft.
    It destroyed more trucks and bunkers than fighters.
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Nope, it was a superb energy fighter.

    What do you know of WWII anyway, you surrendered remember?
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    My interest about WW2 has more than 40 years.... I think I know a lot about it.

    Typhoon an energy fighter? What does it mean ?

    WW2 Typhoon is a kind of british P47 thunderbolt more than a P51D fighter my dear.
     
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    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    And how your asraam will lock on target (if your plane cannot indicate him position of ennemy fighter behind you? Will only work if your asraam was lobl?) You were already debunked about that on keypub, no use spamming same foolishness here.
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Yes, the HMCS tells the missile where to go and the missile uses its IRST to obtain lock itself. I wasn't debunked at all just banned because it's site full of a-holes who don't accept any sources that prove them wrong. It's demonstrated at 6:20 in this advertisement.



    MBDA is quite clear about this ability also.

    http://www.mbda-systems.com/air-dominance/asraam/

    https://web.archive.org/web/2013100...allery/files/asraam_background-1367919209.pdf

     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    @halloweene - furthermore, some idiots on that site do not have the ability to read links wrt data links.

    http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/uk-complex-weapons/common-anti-air-modular-missile/

    Missile, Soft launch System and Common Data Link
    Each supersonic IM compliant CAMM weighs 100kg, approximately 20kg heavier than Sea Wolf and nearly double the weight of Rapier. Length is 3.2m and diameter, 0.16m.

    The missile itself takes a great deal from ASRAAM but it is not a surface launched ASRAAM with a new name. Common components include the very low signature rocket motor from Roxel, the warhead and proximity fuse from Thales

    The RF seeker and open architecture electronics backbone are new, the latter is called Programmable Open Technology for Upgradable Systems or PrOTeUS and uses an IEEE 1394 Firewire bus technology as a starting point.

    Although range will, of course, be classified MBDA declare it as ‘in excess of 25km’

    The soft vertical launch system that ejects the missile to a height of about 30m before a small a thruster fires to orientate the missile with the target location. This method is safer, removes the need to manage hot gas efflux in the launch silo and ensures all of the main rocket motor fuel is used for arriving at the target.

    The Common Data Link (CDL) is the small ‘black box’ that sits on top of the mast, especially clear in pictures of FLAADS(L) although it doesn’t necessarily have to use the two-way data link to the launch vehicle, so, it could take mid-course corrections from any number of suitably equipped land or air platforms and then switch to active homing when it gets close enough. The original launch platform could have even moved by the time the missile hits.

    Note the only differences alluded to in the diagram between CAAM and ASRAAM are:

    a) The seeker - RF vs IIR;

    b) The fins - folding vs fixed.

    c) The tail - boat tail vs VL turnover pack.

    Nowhere does it point o a datalink that has been added and low and behold what's that bit in the common missile between the seeker and the propulsion section.

    [​IMG]

    Note little round circle on top of missile behind earthing marker.

    [​IMG]

    Note similar bump for GPS receiver on GBU-49 nose.

    [​IMG]

    Same place on AIM-9X.

    [​IMG]



    Yeah, keypubs everyone, keypubs. Little wonder their magazines are so error-ridden.
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    CAMM is bigger and heavier than the ASRAAM. So it's not a surprise that it has more range than MICA VL. The MICA VL is smaller than the CAMM too.
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Read the link, the propulsion unit is the same. So the fact it's bigger actually reduces range relative to ASRAAM. Note VL turnover pack instead of boat tail - heavier + more drag. It's basically like adding a second passenger and a roof rack to your car, it'll make it slower and reduce mpg and hence range.

     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    More fuel. More fuel = more range. This is a rocket we are talking about.
     
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    dadeechi Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    UK has traditionally been an ally of Pakistan and they more interested in selling them to Saudi Arabia & Pakistan than to India.

    All militant groups that oppose and fight India, find sanctuary and support in UK.

    That says it all.
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    It doesn't have more fuel, a rocket motor is the fuel, same motor = same fuel for a rocket. The diagram even shows that the propulsion section is identical, the addition to length is the gas turnover system for the cold launch. It's an ASRAAM with a cold launch turnover pack instead of a boat tail, folding fins instead of fixed, and an RF seeker instead of IIR.

    Everything ahead of the VL pack up to the RF seeker is common, except for the folding fins and pylon rail attachments.

    [​IMG]
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    That's an unfortunate legacy of NATO and the Soviet-Afghan War, we'd really prefer it wasn't that way, but it's a mess we're left with.
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    They have designed a new larger airframe for CAMM that can carry more fuel. That's about it.
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    No, the extra length is the VL turnover pack +0.2m and the RF seeker +0.1m. The rocket motor and fuel quantity is identical, just as the diagram shows.
     

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