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Eurofighter Typhoon

Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by 500, Feb 27, 2011.

  1. somedude

    somedude Captain FULL MEMBER

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    You're not aware of certain recent changes in Saudi policy then.

    Saudi Arabia have long disliked Qatar (especially because of Al Jazeera, as it often published articles that were critical to the KSA) and there has already been a crisis between both countries in 2014, but they could work with them in the GCC. However, recently, there has been changes in the KSA, with former crown prince Muhammad bin Nayef Al Saud (MBN) getting ousted and Mohammad bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud (MBS) replacing him as the new crown prince in June 2017. This is important. MBS is brash, ambitious, and hot-headed (he's the architect of the "Saudi Vision 2030" program, the intervention in Yemen was his idea; the execution of Nimr al-Nimr that greatly angered Iran was also his idea) and the recent spate with Qatar is also likely his idea -- it started just a couple of weeks before MBS publicly replaced MBN as crown prince after all. And the situation with Qatar now is a lot worse than any previous crisis between both countries; Saudi Arabia went as far as establishing a blockade and issuing an ultimatum. This is serious.
     
  2. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    And that is the point, so there is no long pending hate, but if at all a dispute and none of that has any relation to the EF, like the blogger tried to construct.
     
  3. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    It's as if Dassault was selling Rafale in Pakistan, do you think the chances of selling it to India would remain intact?
     
  4. somedude

    somedude Captain FULL MEMBER

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    The hatred is old (again, there have been crises before, most recently in 2014); the escalation is recent.


    To go back to the Typhoon, one just crashed in the sea in Italy during an airshow. Unfortunately, the pilot didn't eject. RIP
    http://www.airlive.net/breaking-an-...d-into-sea-during-airshow-at-terracina-italy/
     
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    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    selling and buying involves money. Will you get any money from Pakistan?
     
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    **** man, wish the pilot survived.
     
  8. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Bad comparison. A much better comparison would be India and China. If France gets the chance, Rafale will be marketed to China also. Russia gets away with it already, so it will be easier for France.

    Qatar and Saudi have similar purchasing power. And neither country has the power to influence the UK or France anyway. The enmity between Qatar and Saudi isn't the same as what India and Pakistan have.
     
  9. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Oh man, that's such a bad example. :disagree:

    Pakistan and India have a history of wars, political difference, completely different support of global powers, different economic status and aims...
    While all that is not the case for Qatar and Saudi Arabia, so please don't make up such obvious wrong things.

    Qatar is a financial powerhouse in the world and is backing all kind of European nations, so them having EF and Rafale is no issue at all, just as it isn't that they have the same F15s as Saudi Arabia, because the US is backing both countries too (and might be even the reason for the recent issues, behind the scenes, but that's another topic).
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    http://www.janes.com/article/74465/...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
     
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    BAE Systems to cut nearly 2,000 UK jobs

    Defence contractor deals blow to manufacturing sector after lack of orders for its Eurofighter Typhoon jet
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    A member of staff works in the cockpit of an aircraft on the Eurofighter Typhoon production line at the BAE Warton plant near Preston Photograph: Phil Noble/Reuters

    Britain’s biggest defence contractor,
    BAE Systems, is to cut nearly 2,000 jobs in a significant blow to the UK’s manufacturing sector and the government’s industrial strategy.

    The company, which makes the Eurofighter Typhoon jet and Britain’s nuclear submarines, said on Tuesday that up to 1,400 jobs would go at its military aerospace business over the next three years, along with a further 375 in maritime services and 150 at its cyber-intelligence business.

    BAE aims to achieve the cuts, which are due to be implemented by 1 January and will affect managers as well as people working on the production line, through voluntary redundancies where possible. It employs 83,100 people worldwide, including 34,600 in the UK.

    Its aerospace bases at Warton, where parts for the Typhoon are made and assembled, and Samlesbury in Lancashire, which together employ 10,000 people, will see 750 job losses, twice as many as in 2015. Its other aerospace base, in Brough, east Yorkshire, which makes parts for the Hawk, will see its 900-member workforce almost halved to 500, another severe blow to the region after 500 job losses at the site four years ago.

    A further 340 dockyard job cuts are going in Portsmouth as part of an efficiency drive, 245 at the RAF bases at Marham in Norfolk and Leeming in North Yorkshire, and 150 in London, Guildford and at other cyber-intelligence sites. There are to be a further 30 job losses at other UK locations.

    It is the first move in a cost-cutting programme led by BAE’s chief executive, Charles Woodburn, following a lack of orders for the Typhoon jet.

    Britain’s largest union, Unite, vowed to fight what it called a “devastatingly short-sighted” decision. It had called on the UK government to save jobs prior to BAE’s announcement. The union is considering all options, including industrial action.

    The Unite assistant general secretary, Steve Turner, said: “These planned job cuts will not only undermine Britain’s sovereign defence capability, but devastate communities across the UK who rely on these skilled jobs and the hope of a decent future they give to future generations.”

    The GMB union told the government to stop dithering and develop a plan to safeguard highly skilled defence jobs.

    Ross Murdoch, GMB national officer, said: “The prime minister must step up to the plate and forge trade deals with overseas partner countries, as well as delivering a cast-iron commitment now to build the next-generation fighter planes.”

    Speaking in parliament, Claire Perry – minister at the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy – insisted that BAE’s changes were “not related to any UK defence spending decisions” but a result of internal restructuring and normal business practice.

    She said the government was working with BAE to ensure compulsory redundancies were kept to a minimum, and to secure more orders from abroad. “We absolutely understand this is a worrying time for those affected.” She said there were opportunities for BAE workers to get jobs in renewable energy with Siemens in Yorkshire.

    Nia Griffith, the shadow defence secretary, said there was “a very real risk that these skills will be lost forever”. She called on the government to come forward with a “proper industrial strategy”.

    Woodburn, who became CEO of BAE in July, said the cuts were necessary. “The organisational changes we are announcing today accelerate our evolution to a more streamlined, de-layered organisation, with a sharper competitive edge and a renewed focus on technology,” he said.

    “I recognise this will be difficult news for some of our employees and we are committed to do everything we can to support those affected.”

    BAE is removing management layers in the UK as part of the restructuring, replacing country-based business units (apart from the US) with three divisions – air, maritime and land – reporting directly to Woodburn. This means the UK will no longer be a standalone division.

    Last month Qatar signed a letter of intent to buy 24 Typhoons and six Hawk aircraft from BAE. A potentially large order from Saudi Arabia is still under negotiation. The Typhoon has attracted fewer orders this year than the rival Rafale, built by France’s Dassault Aviation, which has struck deals with Egypt and Qatar.

    BAE said: “Negotiations are progressing to agree a contract with the government of Qatar, which, if secured, would sustain Typhoon production jobs and manufacturing well into the next decade.

    “However, the timing of future orders is always uncertain and to ensure production continuity and competitive costs between the completion of current contracts and anticipated new orders, we now plan to reduce Typhoon final assembly and Hawk production rates.”

    The company also blamed the government’s decision to take the RAF Tornado fleet out of service in 2019, which will affect Marham and Leeming, although BAE will continue to work on the F-35 fighter jet at Marham.

    The Ministry of Defence faces a big budget hole after miscalculating the cost of the Trident nuclear programme and the purchase of F-35s from the US.

    Unite estimates that by 2020, one-quarter of Britain’s defence spend will be benefiting US companies such as Boeing and Lockheed Martin.

    The union is calling on ministers to commit to long-term projects such as the next-generation fighter jet, future support ships and the Royal Navy’s new Type 31e frigate being designed and built in the UK.
     
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    With many private sectors opening here,, they can get jobs easily in India .
    Benefits may not be equal.
     
  14. Picdelamirand-oil

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    Spanish Eurofighter Fighter Jet Crashes Near Albacete
    BREAKING NEWS

    Oct 12 2017—NEWS—Pilot dies, confirms regional First Minister.
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    First image of the Eurofighter crash site near Los Llanos, Albacete. (@PoliciaAlbacete)
    State broadcaster TVE reported the military aircraft was a Eurofighter returning from the October 12 Spain Day flypast and parade in Madrid.

    The First Minister of Castilla La Mancha, Emiliano García Page, confirmed on Twitter that the pilot had died "in Albacete, serving Spain".

    Eyewitness messages published on Twitter suggested more than one aircraft might have crashed.

    Local police in Albacete said they were working to secure the crash site and help other first responders.

    A Ministry of Defence spokesman told The Spain Report the MoD could only confirm for now that a Eurofighter had crashed near the Los Llanos airbase (Albacete).

    No confirmed news of the number of aircraft or the condition of the pilot is currently available.
    https://www.thespainreport.com/arti...eurofighter-fighter-jet-crashes-near-albacete

    RIP :sad:
     
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    This is now getting strange. Far too many recent crashes to be just bad luck.
     

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